I recently came across a Classiche page showing the exhaust system for the '76-'81 Boxer. Pictured is the ANSA Sport Exhaust for the car. So I was wondering, because it's pictured on the Classiche page, would it be allowed for Concours, with no points deduction? I would imagine there's a system for the BBi as well? Here's the link: https://www.classiche09.com/prodotto/ferrari-512-bb-76-81/
First your car is a 52xxx 1984 BBi. Why are you asking? You should be penalized 2 points for even thinking to install it on your car when you know it not original. I will warn the judges ahead of your time of your alleged trickery attempt!! As far as an option for the carb Boxer I doubt it. In all my years in Boxer-land [2 carb cars] I have never seen the Ansa as a factory option. And if it's not a Ferrari option it still has the convoluted design of the original exhaust. I think the engineer that designed the original Boxer exhaust system drank too much Chianti. Take something simple and make it complex and illogical. Better and simpler systems with free-flow improvement are available. I have one on 35411...81 BB improved by Carobu. Part of the upgrades jumping 360 hp to 471.
Im confused a bit her about the question. That’s just some online retailer named “Classiche” (which is just the word classic in Italian). That has nothing to do with the Ferrari factory or the Ferrari Classiche program. So are you saying that because you can buy it online from a place in Italy named Classic that it should be considered original equipment? Sorry, I’m just trying to figure out the question here.
It's a Carobu Engineering upgraded engine and more. If go to the link you can find the Forza article on the car. https://www.carobu.com/ferrari-v12-projects/2015/12/17/ferrari-512-bbi-restomod Here is a screenshot of the summary of engine mods: Image Unavailable, Please Login
OK. First I thought it was a legit Classiche page as it has an Italian phone number. Second, where did you get the idea that I was suggesting OK..I'll go stand in the corner for even bringing it up :-(
Her question? WTF? sherpa, sherpa, sherpa. It was just a question. The page has the same script as Ferrari Classiche, an Italian phone number is listed, so it looked legit to me. Settle down would ya.
Very valid question Don. I believe Ansa was the oem exhaust system supplier for the Ferrari cars at that time and Ansa did offer the sports exhaust complete with manifolds for the BBi back in the days. Newman or someone else in same caliper must surely know if any cars were delivered directly from factory with the sports system. I doubt they were. I run a sports exhaust on my car and I love the sound, but it's not recommendable for long distance driving unless you use a noise reducing head set...- Best, Peter PS.: The new supplier of Ansa exhaust systems have taken over all the toolings and fixtures from the old original company and their products are very close to the originals. They also supply a lot of the products in stainless stell. Only downside is their pricing.
Google ANSA Marmitte. ..... ANSA Marmitte was founded in 1959 as a family-run company, specialising in the development and production of exhaust systems. Up to the 90’s ANSA Marmitte continued its strong expansion and developed its core business in the supply of OE equipment for prestigious manufacturers such as Ferrari and Lamborghini, becoming a part of large multi-national companies, creating new production techniques and innovative management. BBi ????
Thanks.. I did ask the Google and found the ANSA Marmitte corporate site which didn't offer much in the way of vintage stuff. I'm not looking to change my exhaust, I was just curious about all this stuff.
Image Unavailable, Please Login My BBi had the ANSA Sport exhaust on it when I purchased It from Paul. It requires a different set of manifolds and they came in white. Didn’t like the sound, so I which them over to a Konig system made by Fuchs. Attached is a picture from behind where you can see the white manifolds.
My car has a stainless copy of the Ansa sport system, built by quicksilver in the Uk which mounts to the stock headers.. It sounds a lot better than stock but Imo not ideal(the ideal is euro daytona). It does improve top end push and response a little as its not so corked up as the 4 can stock system(in storage). Best sounding system is the bell and that probably flows a bit better still. I think its hard to get a BBI sounding great for the driver as you dont have the induction noise and all the rest of the sound is out back behind the motor, but a stock Tr sounds good so there are improvements to be made, (mazada famously worked hard to copy the sound of an elan for the series 1 mx5). The system on Newmans koning sounded great. The trick is to get a tuneful sound and avoid blare and excess volume, imo most tubi systems are just blare. Along with sound tone/tune one does not want too much noise on part throttle. If you ever hear a modern ferrari when the exhaust flaps open its just way too loud, a cabanieri 2 miles away could hear you coming or know where to follow. Idealy one wants something that has a nice sound but is moderate below 3k rpm for rolling through little hill towns and then increases tone and volume with revs but does not get obnoxious, idealy like an orchestra which builds at a crescendo at 7k rpm. Think Daytona. Make a lot of noise and get pulled over. Motorcycle guys have the same problem, stock systems too quiet and restrictive after market just way too noisy and few sound great. Harey guys are serial offenders, ironicaly open pipes on a harley make them in most cases slower, the Screaming eagle pipes are optimized for power(exhaust pulses) and increase volume within reason. On aircooled ducatis the old oval termingnoni pipes worked great. i hear the stock headers are good in terms of tube length and flow, perhaps some port matching and the the right mufflers is as good as it gets. Tubi makes nice looking headers, the key is muffler development, maybe konings are best? Every time w ehave one of these threads, Im thinkign eprfect BB spec and plannign my newman boxer, which will be on totaly stock looking(except exhaust and wheels) but steer, run and sound like these cars should.
