BB512i for classic 911?

is this weekend toy or investment? Boxers and a lot of 911s are about to become the "next big thing" in collector cars, I think.

what do you like and not like about the Boxer?

 

The Boxer is a great car and set to rise in value. But I think with the money, if you could find a really nice 964 Turbo, especially if it's the 3.6, you will have a great car in your hands. My favorite air cooled Turbo is the 993, but my dad had a 964 and I have a special place in my heart for that car.

 

Frank go the 930 route. old school boost is addicting and the cars are appreciating nicely.

 

What he said. It has a drama factor that was diminished in later models, but should still be a reliable car.

I don't think Boxer money will get you a great early 911S at this point, and that might be too vintage for what you want anyway.

 

I've been a 911 guy from the get go and currently have a GT3. Totally unplanned, I ended up with a 1969S a couple of months ago. It was a neighbor's car (R-Gruppe lightweight hot rod) that I admired simply because Steve McQueen drove one.

I'm having so much fun with this car! Granted, the S is not great for city stop and go traffic. What little power she has rests in the 5K plus rpm. But you rev it and she goes like a go cart. Light weight, simple, tight and you feel like you're really hauling ass...until the Prius shows up in your mirror... I'm a newly converted longhood fan.

Yeah, ok, maybe a 76 turbo would be a good buy. But for pure driving giggles, 1969-1972 is worth taking a look at. And if you're really adventurous a SWB from 66-68!

George

 

frank,

you bought your boxer right after I bought mine. I also own a 930 turbo.

my quick thoughts are that ANY early 911 or 930 will make you long for the boxer. I have owned 3 930's, 72 911e, 73 911s, 73 911 rs touring, 74 911 s targa. while I wish I had not given away my rs back in 1986...it was no boxer!!

I will never sell my current 930 but I cannot see my boxer ever not occupying a space in my garage.

I have seen your car at road Atlanta at the alms event in years past...you have a nice example that is not easily replaceable. please think twice about selling the bb for an older 911.

I am a Porsche guy first and always....but a 73 911s is not even in the same league as a boxer.

 

+1 on this thought process. A 911 is not a replacement for the Boxer.

My dream car as a kid was a 930. After great ownership experiences with early 911s, SC, 964s, etc., I finally got a 930 but was disappointed with the turbo lag and gearing. The immediacy of a normally aspirated engine can't compare against a turbo engine especially from the 930 era. I think this is one of the things that you would miss without the Boxer.

The other thing is that no 911 compares to your Boxer aesthetically IMHO. Don't get me wrong; I will always have a soft spot for 911s and owned many variations of it. But the Boxer, 3x8s shape are timeless that no 911 can touch.

What 911s (such as the early RS) have that Boxers don't is the lightweight, lively driving feel. Therefore, if you are looking at 911s at the same price point as the Boxer, I would get an early S with RS-spec engine. This way, you still have the collectibility aspect with a real S, but the performance of an RS. Though this could be a compelling route, I would still think long and hard about replacing the Boxer with a 911. Own both if you can and decide later.

For me, I would maintain a Ferrari in the stable. A 911 would be in my garage as a daily driver (which you already have) or as a vintage race car (such as a 67 R or a 74 RSR).

 

Hold on to it, its the next Ferrari dino in investment wise. I could see it sell for more than $200,000 in 5 years time. It depends on which 911 you want, they are not rare except for 911 Turbo 3.6(1,407) and 993 Turbo S(182).

 

Don't you guys think if the BB was going to rapidly appreciate it already would have?

We are experiencing perhaps the greatest run up in collector car values and the BB seems to be sitting it out.

I don't have an opinion as to why. They are brilliant looking cars.

As far as Porsches. Longhoods. Look for a 67-73 S. 67s are selling in the high $100s to low $200s. There was a recent sale of $250 for a 67S..and rumored private sales for at least that amount.

A rusty, crusty 67S is worth $70k today. To restore that car it will cost you $100k. If you can find a car that you love that has been restored for less than $200k you will do well.

Another observation. 73RSes Tourings are now starting in the low $500s. 2-3 years ago these were $250-300k cars. At the same time a 67 S was around $80-100. Now that the Tourings are in the $500s the market is waking up to the fact that 67s (and the other longhood S cars) are perhaps...undervalued. I have read this hypothesis and had several respected dealers tell me the same. Based on this theory a 1967S will be a solid $250-300k car this time next year. (restored to top condition etc).

remember when Dinos popped after the $350k sale at auction. If I recall that happened 2 years ago. Same is happening now with the early S longhoods. Monterey auctions will be the true turning point for longhoods.

Also, Speedsters. 89/ 94s. I know of several sales in the $150-200 range. These were $85-100k cars just 18 months ago. If you can find a low miles, no stories Speedster...buy it.

Of course, I could be wrong

 

Boy, I bet you wish you hadn't done that in hindsight! Would love to own a 2.7RS.

 

An interesting read for those of you looking into longhoods...

Canepe sold the $300k 67s......

 

Here's an interesting car... but would I give up a boxer for it?

1969 Porsche 911 S Sunroof Coupe Numbers Matching ?Black Plate? California Car

 

I sold it to support the prep of a race car I owned. I ended up selling the race car and after many years...found out that bruce canepa had bought the car and restored it and sold it for in excess of $360k. so many that got away in hindsight. if I sell my boxer or my 930 it would certainly guarantee a meteoric rise in their values

 

Listen up guys...NO ONE let more sweet cars get away then me, got it?

I've learned that when it comes to beautiful women and beautiful cars....there is always another one out there, so I get over the losses better than most

I have messaged Frank today about the possibility of my black 930, packaged together with one or more Alfa Spiders might be a fun and prudent way to go in a trade? My cars are spectacular examples, so no one gonna be let down who ends up with any of them.

 

If that car weren't a hot rod it would be worth $150k IF it were a tier 1 car. Personally, I adore that car as-is. Priced perfectly. Someone could buy that car and make money on it. Try that with any modern weekend type car.

If that car is still for sale in a week I will be surprised (and I will then call and offer less....)

 

emailed the dealer...car is sold. One day. There ya go...

 

My 1973 RS is probably the second best car I've ever driven. It's engaging, communicative, inspiring, and incredibly charismatic. There is something about the old 911's that's pretty special.

I went through the whole thing about what are they worth and how much is too much and figured if I was going to put actual money to an early 911, the RS is the only one that I know is truly worth it. The S is fantastic as well as the E but for the money, I don't know if they are truly worth what they go for. So I bought a perfect '73 RS Touring. And when I mean perfect, it just scored 240 at the biggest concours in the region last week. It is one of the few that still has the original motor and tranny, it has every original body panel (none show any sign of repair ever), even the original seats. I have had RS experts come and absolutely gush over the car as they try to pick it apart.

And they're a lot of money, yes, but I have gotten several unsolicited offer for well above what I paid.

I suppose if you want to play it safe but don't want to spend the money, get one with a non original motor that's probably had a color change and lost some of the original parts. You'll still get most of the experience but without spending full boat on a perfect, correct RS while still having some protection for the money (that chassis VIN would go a long way.

I've posted a few before but here's a pic of mine.
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WOW!

 

Frank each are worthy on their own merits. you should drive an example of each to see what your favorite is. since you have modern 911, i bet you would like the 930 or long hood the best as they are more raw. i can tell you that you have to really focus if and when you are driving the 930 quickly.

 

Jay Kay seems to like his as well.

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Keep the Boxer....You already have a nice reliable Porsche. Nice early 911's (1969-1973) especially the "S" have gone to the moon, over priced I think. Great cars the 911, but I think you are buying one at the peak for now, and the Boxer seems to be at the start of an uptrend.

 

Seems to like a bunch of his cars. Loved the last throwaway line about the 968 CS, a rare bird indeed!

His RS in what I think is Aubergine is very cool! The cult status these RS's are rocking these days is truly incredible. No surprise incredible prices follow.

As far as "replacing" the Boxer with an early 911, a few brief thoughts. Seems you have owned your Boxer for some time and the fact that you are not adding but replacing says to me maybe it is the right time for you to move on.

Sure, the Boxer market MAY be about to pop. But unless the only reason you own cars is for investment and not personal enjoyment, the financial tail shouldn't wag the enjoyment dog, imho. We have been hearing that the Boxer market is ready to pop for many years. But who really knows, and you could be waiting a long time and not enjoying what you really want to own.