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Discussion in 'Boxers/TR/M' started by 2dinos, Apr 29, 2009.

  1. 2dinos

    2dinos F1 Rookie

    Jan 13, 2007
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    For those who've gotten into this - what parts do I need to go after now to tighten up the front end. If I touch the wheel rim, and move the steering wheel a tiny amount, I feel the response at the wheel rim. The control arm bushings look reasonable. I don't like the feel.
     
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  3. Newman

    Newman F1 World Champ
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    I dont understand. You move the steering wheel a bit and you feel the rim move. Thats whats supposed to happen, the steering wheels is supposed to control the direction of the front wheels lol :). My car is setup to spec. I had it checked at work on the rack and compared it to the manual just to make sure everything was ok. Aside from the crappy TRX wheels im happy with the handling. I can feel a very slight amount of play in the wheel when im in that super anal frame of mind and I look for problems.
     
  4. 2dinos

    2dinos F1 Rookie

    Jan 13, 2007
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    Thank you. I'm saying there isn't much slop between steering wheel input, and wheels - which is a good thing. I have super dooper Michelin 18" Pilots, and it just feels loose at center. :( It seems that the steering wheel does not stay aligned / go back to center every time. I might bring it back to the alignment shop. The rack seems solid. Tie rod ends appear good? The steering shaft seems tight. Ball joints??? My BBi DOESN'T have that many miles on it. My Fiat had 230,000 miles on it when the ball joints started to show wear.

    It doesn't handle like my 308. It comes back to center perfect every time, and feels great!
     
  5. fastradio

    fastradio F1 Rookie
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    Bruce,

    This will answer all your of questions...and then some. Feel free to give me a PM or call if you'd like more information how how to tighten up the steering response. And...no matter what you do, your BB/BBi will not feel like a 308, in any respect ;)

    David

    http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=185783
     
  6. 2dinos

    2dinos F1 Rookie

    Jan 13, 2007
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    Thanks for that! I feel better knowing it's kind of the character.

    One thing:
    "As some of you may know, the Boxer does not use any rubber in the design of her control arm bushings. Rather, it is a very clever, robust design which uses a hardened "pin" within a replaceable "wrist pin" type collar, with a corresponding "wear surface" thrust washer. Although this is a very long lasting design, wear can (and does occur) if the rubber seal rings deteriorate and road sand/dirt gets into the bushngs."

    Maybe the 365 has the metal bearings (which I'm a big fan of) like the 308 in the rear, but the BBi has those rubber silentbloc bushings all over.

    I will check those ball joints.
     
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  8. Mario Pano

    Mario Pano Formula Junior

    May 24, 2006
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    If you were to compare on a low mile BB the steering rack bushings to the frame can make the largest difference if everything is stock and in great shape.
    They are extremely soft stock and you can use the same exact shape and size from a 308 ac mounts I think if I remember right ...they are black and much higher durometer rubber where the boxer ones are a light color.
    Poly ones work as good also.
     
  9. willrace

    willrace Two Time F1 World Champ
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    I had my whole suspension reworked last summer, readily-available poly bushings wherever possible, and James (Norwood's) fabricated some of what wasn't available from Delrin (IIRC). Drives like a totally different car, and the rubber that's not there anymore won't degrade in a few years.
     

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