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  1. maximilian.szwaj

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    Does anyone know the current value of a brand new set of wheels for 512BBi?
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  2. BigTex

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    It depends if you are buying or selling.....;)
     
  3. maximilian.szwaj

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    Are They original Campys or re originals.....
    Are they specified TRX metric or withworth.
    2 would be narrower than the other 2, frnts and rears.
    Do the still have the original silkscreen size printed on inner lip?

    If they are out of the box New old stock, they would be quite precious.
    My estimate would be 2 g's each.
    if they have been used, 25% of that figure.
     
  5. steveirl

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    They are available new here in Europe, priced in UK Sterling the fronts are approx 260 each and the rears are about double that, interestingly the rears were the same price as fronts until about two months ago, they must be getting scarce.
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  6. Newman

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    To me there is no difference between a new one and a repainted one so why pay extra for the box you throw away? A friend of mine is having a stamp made to put the lettering on the rims rather than the decal that can be bought. Do the rims have the spline drives in them with the stainless rings?
     
  7. steveirl

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    The price does not include the spline drives, they are a seperate part no. and i believe cost is approx 400 sterling each but cant be sure.
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  8. boxerman

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    Anybody here still intereted in trying to do a group buy on Neez wheels in 17 in. They are the only ones that seem to look like the originals and are in modern sizes. I have modern rubber on mine and the difference is like bias ply's to radials. Ride is smoother and the confidence of grip and feedback enhanced beyond imagination.
     
  9. maximilian.szwaj

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    Thank you all for the posts.
     
  10. PWehmer

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    Previous posts stated they were $7,000 per wheel. Is that true?
    I would love to put some modern rubber on the car but at a reasonable price.
     
  11. Newman

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    $10K USD for 4 in magnesium or $6500 in aluminum provided 10 of us make a group buy. Its a little steep, I could buy a lot of crappy TRX tires for that chunk of change. I dont drive my car on the limit on the road nor do I track it so its tough to justify the cost. What are some of the other aftermerket rims going for that i see on boxers? That grey boxer with some tasteful mods with the red interior looked pretty cool, open carb stacks and the car got big money if I recall.
     
  12. buzzm2005

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    I thought Neez only came in 18". 18" will significantly alter the Boxer look but tire choices abound.
     
  13. buzzm2005

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    Hmm. The website www.neez.co.jp only shows the wheel in magnesium and something like USD$5000 per wheel! $6500 for 4 in aluminum ain't cheap but at $1625 it is not far away from $1000 AMG 2-pc rims that you'd find on, say, a Mercedes.
     
  14. Newman

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    #14 Newman, Mar 2, 2007
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    I priced custom rims elsewhere and was quoted $10K usd for 4. I think F40 wheels are that much, come to think of it ferrari of ontario wants $2500 a rim for a QV rim.

    Who makes these wheels? I might stop being so anal if i can get these at a sensible price and Ill loft the TRX's in my garage.
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  15. boxerman

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    I gthought is was $3500 for the wheels in aluminum. SL comp and Compomotive rims seem to be about $2500 but they are like the canapea car split rims. I already hive some split rims on my car, from boyd with ferrari style star centres. Modern rubber is amazing in every way including significantly improved ride not to mention grip. The car can actulay be slid if so desired. The Neez wheels appeal because they are so like the originals. Kinda like putting a more modern and wider Borrani on a 275.
     
  16. Newman

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    #16 Newman, Mar 3, 2007
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    I could be wrong onthe prices. I just recall most of us feeling it was too pricey.

    Now, these rims were made by boyd coddington and they told me $2500each. They fit with very minor mods to the rear wheelwell but didnt specify where. They are the widest you can fit without the extensions. I think they look great. These pics are from Forza issue #37.
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  17. buzzm2005

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    It's a little too rimmy for me. I think 17" is about the biggest you can go without losing The Boxer Look. 16" would be fine too but there's no point because no one makes modern rubber in an appropriate size for a 16" rim.

    How 'bout that turbo TR plant! Looks like the experiment I was considering! Lotsa pipes and such in there, though.
     
  18. boxerman

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    My rims are the same as the pics but in a 16, got them from another boxer owber who had them made in the early 90's. The rear rims are 10.5in wide and fit fine. The tires are 255/50/16 rear and the front wheels are 9.5 in wide with 254/50/16 a bit wide for my taste but steering is still as light as the trx but bland in feedback below 30mph. You can get michelin pilot sports from coker tires in these sizes am BFG TA sports from tire rack.

    I had the front end rebuilt as there was so much slop evident when the modern rubber went on, something not so noticeable with the iceskate michelins. Ofv you think of the difference in handling between a countach and a boxer which is huge a big part of the difference is probably rubber.

    The ride now is so much smoother(far better than my m3) the car could probably go to stiffer springs easily, yeilding further improvements. I think the original michelins have crappy grip, the sidewall bends easily yeilding poor initial steering reponse and to have any type of feel/handling high tire pressures are specified yeilding a hard ride necessitating too soft springs.

    Bascicaly in my opinion the boxer is seriously compromised by the original tire choice.

    So the appeal of the neez wheels in say a 17 is original look and handling/ride probably what then designers intended, more like a BBLM. Something the British would call symapathetic improvements.
     
  19. steveirl

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    Just checked on price of wheels with Ferrari UK, my mistake earlier, the rear BBi TRX rim is not 400, but 1024 sterling pounds each, rear BB wheels seem to be no longer available.
    Steve
     
  20. JTR

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    #20 JTR, Mar 4, 2007
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    Last time we did the wheel thing I was really hot to go as the XWXs were shot!
    Compomotive and Centerline offer wheels in 17” and 18”, both 3 piece construction. I think prices were about $2500 per set for the one, and $4500 per set for the other.
    At the time, Neez quoted me $7000 Per Wheel, in Magnesium. That price depending on the exchange between Yen/Dollar. 7K then-5K now, either is too much for me!
    And at the time, I don’t believe there were any suitable 17” tires available with close to the same diameter as the XWX tires. Either too tall, or too short. Excellent 18” tires in similar diameter were available, but then you ended up without much sidewall. To my eye at least, then you’d have to lower the car some to make the wheels/tires/car look correct.
    Neez are by far the best looking/choice, if you want to pay 20/30K per set, and deal with mag wheels on the street.
    A company named A&M Machine Works in Pomona said they could make up one piece wheels identical to stock in 17”/18”, machined from aluminum billet or from a suitable wheel blank, for about 5/6K per set. They are a state-of-the-art CNC machine shop, and have made wheels for Chip Foose and others. Mark Montijo @ 909-594-9700 was the guy I talked to.
    If I was going for new wheels/tires now, the first thing I’d do would be to check availability of tires in the correct diameter, and go with that size wheel.
    In the end, I just went with a new set of XWXs.

    Compomotive left, Speedline right, Neez lower
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  21. buzzm2005

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    In 17", the only thing out there is Michelin P/S AS (All Season).
    2 x 225/55ZR17 Michelin PILOT SPORT AS @ $189.00/each
    Rim Width Range 6.00 to 8.00
    2 x 245/50ZR17 Michelin PILOT SPORT AS @ $209.00/each
    Rim Width Range 7.00 to 8.50

    In 18" there are choices galore.

    I'd vote for 17". And we'll need some spare center adapters because we'll want to knock-off the OEM, slap on the new stuff, and then knock that off and put the OEM on again easily.
     
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  24. markpeboxer

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    #24 markpeboxer, Apr 13, 2007
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    Wheels, the bain of my existance these days. I so agree with Newman, if I could only find the rims from the Canapa car (sorry Argento #33971). They actually look more like F40 rims to me - which isn't a bad thing.

    Ray at SL Competition said they are no longer making the 2400 SM that John pictured. He told me this 5 months after I sent him a $2500 deposit (50%) for a set - total price around 5k. He said they would only be able to sell me a set of the F40's that he's in the process of developing.

    He's not returning my calls but he is sending me bare minimum emails - a little nerve racking (does anybody know anything about this guy)?

    I wish I had seen JTR's post about Mark Montijo awhile ago!!

    Below is Rays latest response - I'm still holding out hope. Looks like he's in the process of offering F40 style accross the board. Pictured is the rough unsanded first off examples he's received from his source.

    Hello Mark

    Do you want the 30 to 40 bolt holes around the star or between the star legs?

    The design work for the F40 style was completed two weeks ago.
    Here is the production schedule.

    (see attach has not been sanded or painted) We finished the 18" for the F40 car yesterday. (uses step lip rim)
    We are now doing 18" Testarossa cars. (uses step lip rim) (takes 1.5 weeks)
    next is 17" Boxer cars. (uses step lip rim) (1.5 weeks)
    next is 19" cars F40 style and 355 style. (uses reverse lip rim) (1.5 weeks)
    next is 18" cars 355 style. (uses reverse lip rim) (1.5 weeks)

    Sincerely
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    It is my understanding that www.GaRedCars.com will make them however you want them for a reasonable price...
     

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