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BBurago 1/18 Ferrari 641/2 F1 question

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  1. sweets

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    Hello everyone, I have a quick question. A friend from work was at a Rummage sale over the weekend and she picked me up a 1/18 scale Ferrari 641/2 Late 80's early 90's F1 car. The car is #27, this is Alesi car. However on the Air intake it has G.Bergers name and on the nose it has J.Alesi. does anyone know anything about this? Was this intentional? was this a factory error? Does anyone have any idea of what it may be worth? The model itself is mint, however the box looks a bit worn. Any info or feed back would be greatly appreciated. I'd Love to post pics, but I've reached my limit and have yet to renew my membership. If you wanna see pics, I'd be more than happy to e mail them to you. Leave me a PM

    Looking forward to hearing back
     
  2. GTE

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    1) There is no such thing as a 1:18 641/2 by Bburago. The only did one in 1:24.
    2) The 641/2 is the 1990 car. Alesi joined Ferrari in 1991. Berger had left Ferrari after 1989 to return in 1993. Neither of them drove the 641/2 in competition.
    3) The 641/2 wore the #1 number for Prost and the #2 number for Mansell. No #27.
     
  3. BigTex

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    I'd have to look I have those years in 1:18 but I agree it was not a bburago at that point..

    Also think each one is dedicated to one driver not two names on one car?

    If I remember I'll check and post back..

    Nice find, in any event.....
     
  4. DMC308

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    Just curious, does the car say Onyx on the bottom?
     
  5. sweets

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    Are you sure theres no such thing?
     
  6. DMC308

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    GB's car number was 28.
    Take a pic of the base of the car if you can please.
     
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    There ya go, padner! :D :D
     
  10. GTE

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    I stand corrected. But I am also amazed. When was this model released?

    It is still all wrong of course. If this should be a 641/2 as said on the box, then both Alesi and Berger are wrong, the startingnumber is wrong and the Pioneer-decals shouldn't be on it.
     
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    code 6101 does belong to the 1/24 641/2 however...
     
  12. sweets

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    So,do you think it is worth anything?I'm just curious to know if in fact this was a Factory error, and if I have a realllly rare car on my hands.
     
  13. sweets

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    I owe ya one Tex. Thanks a million. I Really appreciate it
     
  14. BigTex

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    I join the rest of the crew, in being TOTALLY mystified as to what the &%**& we are looking at here..

    I'll have to put one of these new fangled computers in the Horse Barn so I can post from my collection at home...I truthfully got busy chopping firewood and grilling a rib eye steak and drinking whiskey I forgot to look at what brand mine at home are...LOL!

    But like these guys hadn't seen any F1s at 1:18......

    As to value I'm afriad we are looking at what would be called a "bitsa" in real cars, it's a 'bitsa' this and a 'bitsa' that!
     
  15. BigTex

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    ..as well as why the sun finally set on Bburago....while a value leader and a lot of my early collection was from them, the attention to detail was sadly lacking in many examples.....
     
  16. BigTex

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    Very very odd....
     
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    #17 DMC308, Aug 19, 2008
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    Factory error.
    I would say its more rare just do to the size and the brand, not the name of the driver being on the car.
    Normally I would say just the opposite but with all the factory errors we see from other co's its almost expected.

    Nice find, I have never seen or heard of a 1:18 of this car by Bb, and clearly GB's name should not be on it...


    Thanks for the pics btw :)

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    I would like to post this pic on my site and see if any of the lurkers there can name a release date for this car if its ok?
     
  18. GTE

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    My guess is that the 1/18 Bburago 641/2 is a rare item no matter the factory error. I even doubt the model was ever officially marketed to the public. Google doesn't come up with anything on this (apart from this thread) and I have never seen one offered anywhere. In fact, up untill today my firm believe was this did not exist.

    I think a collector of Ferrari F1 memorabilia would pay good money for this.
     
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    If the Berger-decal wasn't on it, one could argue that it was a test-version for Alesi, already decked out in the livery of the 642 of 1991. Don't know of such a car really exist but chances are Alesi had his first Ferrari-run in a 641/2.

    Funny story is that Ferrari gave Frank Williams a 641/2 to put in his museum as part of Alesi's buy out from his Williams-contract.
     
  20. BigTex

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    I think I have a decal set of that period to correct it....FINDING it might be the issue....LOL!
     
  21. sweets

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    Please, Be my guest. I would really appreciate you posting on your site. I'd like to find out the history behind this, Who knows, Maybe a Ferrari collector would like to have it as part of their collection. LOL!!!! Would anyone by any chance know where I would go to have it looked at or appraised?? The Box is a bit aged, However the Car itself is MINT
     
  22. DMC308

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    I would hang onto it at least until we get a reply or two with some information about it.
    It could be worth $50.00 or it could be worth a heck of a lot more. Personally I would say no more then $100.00 on a good day. I know others might not agree but I just don't see 1990's error car with pretty low quality detail (even for a Bburago) going for much more then that.
    It does help that you have the original box though.

    That's just my opinion, but I have been wrong before.
     
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    #23 DMC308, Aug 20, 2008
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    This is what I found out.

    I got these messages today.


    /////This car is not a true bburago. It was made by a Chinese manufacture who used the BBurago name without a license. They also made another one which was the Benneton. If you look up the code on the box (6101) It is for the 1/24 version of this car. BBurago never made the 1/18 of this car.

    Edit: Just to mention this car was available to the public about 9-10 years ago for a very
    short time.

    One more message I got about the car

    Totally agree.
    Bburago never produced a 1/18 formula 1. In 1998 Bburragos catalogue it is clearly pictured that cod. 6101 is a 1/24 car (ferrari 641/2) which does not have any driver name decall on it and has number 2
    /////

    I strongly agree with these statements as did others I have spoken to about it.
    Probably not what you wanted to hear, but I would guess its value at around $50.00 give or take and on a good day.
    Some collectors do like to collect fakes and errors though so if your plan is to sell it on ebay, you may have better luck then that.


    Hope this helps :)
     
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    I've heard any years ago, that this 641/2 was really made by Bburago. But only for the workers in the Ferrari-Formula 1 Team!
     
  25. DMC308

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    I strongly doubt this. They may have done that with a 1:24 limited edition but not this car.
    Not trying to be rude, but the fact the box says a toy number that is only for the 1:24 scale version proves to me that this is a knock off.
    I remember the Benetton f1 knock off as well, and it was just as bad.
     

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