Belly landing on freeway (WI) | FerrariChat

Belly landing on freeway (WI)

Discussion in 'Aviation Chat' started by DMC, Oct 23, 2012.

This site may earn a commission from merchant affiliate links, including eBay, Amazon, Skimlinks, and others.

  1. DMC

    DMC Formula 3

    Nov 15, 2002
    2,385
    WI/IL
    Full Name:
    Dean
  2. GuyIncognito

    GuyIncognito Ten Time F1 World Champ
    Silver Subscribed

    Jun 30, 2007
    100,347
    wow, I was on that section of 94 Sunday night! small world.

    question for the pilots, emergency landings of small aircraft on highways isn't that uncommon, so what's the protocol? do you tell air traffic control and they shut the highway down/alert the state police or do you just land it and hope for the best?
     
  3. Tcar

    Tcar F1 Rookie


    Protocol? I don't think he had time to do any of that... there probably almost never is time to stop traffic, etc. - just do it...



    Wonder what happened... both props were turning when in "landed"?.
     
  4. bbs911

    bbs911 Formula Junior

    May 31, 2007
    590
    Dallas
    I'm not anywhere close to current on my license, but when I did my training, first thing I was taught to do in emergency procedure was look for a place to land. But just because you pick a spot doesn't mean that spot can't change as your emergency changes. In most cases, I'm guessing there isn't enough time to alert authorities AND have them arrive, so probably notify ATC as best you can and just hope for the best.
     
  5. bbs911

    bbs911 Formula Junior

    May 31, 2007
    590
    Dallas
    My question also. Most belly landings I recall are landing gear related and didn't have anything else mechanical and can take place at an airport.
     
  6. cheesey

    cheesey Formula 3

    Jun 23, 2011
    1,921
    landing anywhere other than an airport, there was a loss of power or something that prevented further flight

    gear up can be an indication of loss of hydraulic pressure to cycle the gear, even if hydraulic pressure is lost there is a manual system to lower the gear. Some aircraft use compressed air to "blow" the gear down if normal system fails. Appaently there was not enough time to manually lower the gear which goes back to engine failure causing the flight to be aborted

    gear up landings are not necessarily hard on the airframe... usually the plane is raised, the gear lowered, then towed to the shop. Engines take most of the abuse starting with the props striking ground etc. The hull usually just requires to be reskinned after a bit of straightening. Gear up landings hit the insurance and check book the hardest, otherwise not a big deal.
     
  7. 2NA

    2NA F1 World Champ
    Consultant Owner Professional Ferrari Technician

    Dec 29, 2006
    18,221
    Twin Cities
    Full Name:
    Tim Keseluk
    Jumpers are having a sad. :(

    It's 44 years old. That plane is probably all done.
     
  8. future328driver

    future328driver Formula 3

    Dec 10, 2001
    1,838
    Dallas, Texas
    Full Name:
    Ken Thomas
    The runway threshold it literally feet from the highway. Back in the '80s I flew into that airport once and you come in right over the tops of traffic on I94.
     
  9. joker57676

    joker57676 Two Time F1 World Champ

    Apr 12, 2005
    23,767
    Sin City
    Full Name:
    Deplorie McDeplorableface
    Yeah, I'm watching this one closely. The reports so far have been odd. News this morning said the pilot had some unspecified mechanical problems, overshot the runway, and ended up on the highway. Certainly wouldn't be the first time the news was flat out wrong so I'm eager to see what is determined to be the cause.


    Mark
     
  10. donv

    donv Two Time F1 World Champ
    Owner Rossa Subscribed

    Jan 5, 2002
    26,264
    Portland, Oregon
    Full Name:
    Don
    Jump airplanes aren't known for their maintenance... or for high standards of operation, for that matter.

     
  11. toggie

    toggie F1 World Champ
    Owner Silver Subscribed

    Nov 30, 2003
    19,036
    Virginia
    Full Name:
    Toggie (Ron)
    #11 toggie, Oct 23, 2012
    Last edited by a moderator: Sep 7, 2017
  12. donv

    donv Two Time F1 World Champ
    Owner Rossa Subscribed

    Jan 5, 2002
    26,264
    Portland, Oregon
    Full Name:
    Don
  13. Tcar

    Tcar F1 Rookie

    Both props were spinning... engine failure????
     
  14. cheesey

    cheesey Formula 3

    Jun 23, 2011
    1,921
    spinning ? is meaningless...the engine is either making power or not

    in the news photo the stb engine has 1 blade that appears near normal... engine was not making power

    the second photo of the port engine, all the blades are bent...an indication the engine was making power at the time of the prop strike

    the engines are PT-6, the prop does not have a direct / positive connection with the power section... the props can free wheel or spin just from the air flow across the prop

    how does one over shoot the runway with wheels up ? In landing mode the wheels are down, unless they were not put down in error...one possibility... in landing flair the props hit, tried go around, too much prop / engine damage, landed straight ahead... there seems to be a lot of BS that doesn't add up... need to wait for final anaysis
     
  15. Jedi

    Jedi Moderator
    Moderator Lifetime Rossa Owner

    Mar 18, 2008
    32,335
    Seattle Area
    Full Name:
    Dave
    Wow... could have been much worse.

    Jedi
     
  16. RacerX_GTO

    RacerX_GTO F1 World Champ
    Silver Subscribed

    Nov 2, 2003
    14,866
    Oregon
    Full Name:
    Gabe V.
    This landing episode ensured that.
     
  17. joker57676

    joker57676 Two Time F1 World Champ

    Apr 12, 2005
    23,767
    Sin City
    Full Name:
    Deplorie McDeplorableface
    The reports I've seen don't add up, it's really odd. Loss of power usually means up undershoot the runway, not go long. And, as you noted, gear should have been down.


    Mark
     
  18. toggie

    toggie F1 World Champ
    Owner Silver Subscribed

    Nov 30, 2003
    19,036
    Virginia
    Full Name:
    Toggie (Ron)
    One possibility is the pilot purposely came in very high because of lost power before getting on his final approach.
    Then, when he discovered there was no way he could slip the plane down enough to make the runway, he kept the gear up anticipating the eventual landing past the end of the runway.

    Just a theory. Plus, a King Air has to descend like a brick once it loses power.
     
  19. James_Woods

    James_Woods F1 World Champ

    May 17, 2006
    12,755
    Dallas, Tx.
    Full Name:
    James K. Woods
    Do I see the flaps down in that photo showing the starboard side?
     

Share This Page