Best bang for your buck

How refreshing - let's talk about F1 versus stick for a change.

 

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I'm going to disagree with you. Actually a 430 f1 is the best Ferrari bang for the buck. I own both and 430's are more reliable and less expensive to maintain and + 70 hp. A good buy can be had @ 110k. If I were looking that's the car.

 

While you think that the F430 will drop another $20K, do you think that the 360 won't drop anymore as well? If that's the case, the two models will be very similar in price which doesn't make sense to me.

 

Ah a pricing thread. The following comments for F1 only:

Why would the 360 drop? Any less and you can buy a 355 or 348 and have the $7000 major every 3-5 years. At the very least the next buyer will want you to do it or to give them a price reduction for it vs. belts in the 360 at $1500-2400, so in essence you have a built in $5000 differential between the models. Porsche 996 Turbos are in the low $40's. I don't see a Ferrari of equivalent performance breaking below the 911 turbo.
The 430 faces upward pressure from the 458 and the depreciating lead anchor called the MP4-12c... already at $150ish with a better,faster transmission, more power and carbon tub.

 

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Glad you mentioned that...I do bleed rosso corsa, but what a fun car. If I had any confidence at all in being able to maintain one with my own fingers, that would be my next car. I really feel that it took the 488 to get F to the same performance level as MC. That said, next car ?458 (last naturally aspirated 8cyl mid engine) or 488 twin turbo +140hp and lots of torque...for only another +120k, or that lowly depreciating MP4c. I'm happy I don't need a car right now.

I just don't see the 430's falling to much further, more likely they will increase from here.

1 used nice F430 F1= $110 = 1.05 new Z07 Corvette = 1.75 Fancy diesel Pickup trucks = 1.6 Fancy SUV(mecan turbo, x5)= 7.3 New Nissan Versas = 2.7 996 Porsche turbo's. Personally I think the fancy diesel pickup truck method is most sound here in the US. Supercar as a multiple of pickup trucks. Its a theory anyway...

Ferrari's are special and will always have a premium for the level of performance you are buying. I agree with surgeon - you will never buy a Ferrari @ equal performance level with a Porsche for less then the Porsche.

feralc - also agree with you any good condition Ferrari @ 50k will appreciate to some degree eventually just because it has a Horse label and more car guys want to be a part of the limited brand.

 

those Porsche GT3RS' though...

 

Sorry- ur right- to my Porsche statement- limited models excluded. No gt3/ Rs / and cup cars. That would need another thread.

 

I think that is true for Ferrari/McLaren too. The depreciation of the MP4-12C is making it more of a bargain as the new models come out. I wouldn't expect it to drop too much more but for more/less 150k there isn't much in that price bracket (With the exception of a used Turbo S) that can out-perform it.

 

I didn't say the 360 would drop. I said that I don't think the F430 will drop into 360 territory.

While 458s may be dropping because of the 488, they're still way higher than an F430. A 458 Spider is easily $100K more than an F430 Spider. If you prefer fixed roof there's still a good $50K between them. You can add another 10% for tax and registration to that difference. Oh and insurance? Yup, that's more for the 458's too.

 

What I've found in the last year or so is that if you really compare equal condition 348s, 355s and 360s you'll see that 360s are 50% more than 348s. 355s are somewhere in-between. Naturally there are some outliers.

 

Hey, I'm just going by the cars I've shopped for and have looked at. A nice 348 can be bought for $55K and a similar condition 360 is between $80-85K. Split it right down the middle and there is a $27K difference. If you do the math you'll see that this 360 will cost you 50% more than a 348. Some may feel that a 50% margin does not constitute a huge gap but I do. Just offering my findings is all.

Back to the topic though, like someone said "bang for the buck" is relative but if someone wants a relatively low cost, reliable, and well-performing Ferrari, a 360 is tough to beat.

 

Yeah, But Hey Kurt! I cant fit into a 12c! Not a large guy at 6' 220 but uncomfortable....drove the 650s to the same conclusion even with the racing seats....nice car though but not the passazz of a Ferrari>>>>>>>>>>>>
Cheers!

 

I also totally agree the 360 is the best bang for the buck right now. I sold my 97 355 spider back in 2007 and probably could have gotten more for it now than I sold it for. I do not think the 360 values will go down any more as they are pretty much at the bottom.
Styling wise I think it is one of the most beautiful designs with all the shapely curves and I love the rawness factor of it... Coupled with a good exhaust, F1 or Manual transmission makes these cars an absolute blast to drive and one of the best sounding ferraris!

Honestly the newer models (458 / 488) almost seem a bit too refined for my tastes, and I am not that crazy about their computerized gauges / displays etc but of course they have alot more power under the hood. The 360 also has more than enough hp for me living in the US and I do like to go fast being originally from germany but with speed limits of 70 in my area, do I really need 661 hp? Bottom line: I LOVE the 360!

 

+1, I have to agree with all of you also in the "bang for the buck" value. Even though my baby is in getting a clutch right now, I still feel after 1 year of ownership that it is the best car for the money. People consistently think its a 200k$+ car, the sound is raw, the driving is bliss. I have a spider, and the top down cruising down PCH on a warm night is second to none. I feel extremely fortunate to own one and feel like a made a great choice when i saved her from being a garage queen