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  1. bpu699

    bpu699 F1 World Champ
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    Toying with the idea of some home protection. Realy concerned about my kids getting accidentally injured. Whats state of the art for childproofing? I know years ago they were looking into high tech guns that sense the owner and only fire for 1 individual? Anything else? Thoughts?
     
  2. GuyIncognito

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    no gun. get a dog, alarm, taser, pepper spray, etc.
     
  3. M.James

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    Get one of those bedside electronic lock-boxes that require a touch-code - one with braille markings, so you can code the lock in total darkness. That would be the 'easiest' solution, although my father used a method called 'education' and was able to leave loaded firearms anywhere and I didn't touch them unless I HAD to.
     
  4. James_Woods

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    Just for what it is worth, I would have a really hard time trusting one of those "owners touch to fire" handguns - in both modes...

    Would it fire for me without fail when I needed it too?

    Would it not fire for absolutely sure if a kid found it?

    I agree, the safety box is the most practical way - evin if you can also afford a gun safe.
     
  5. 285ferrari

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    Take a gun safety course, buy a good lockbox, educate your children and buy whatever gun you choose..... I have 4 young boys running around my house and never have they touched my gun and messed with it. If they are not curious about they won't mess with it...All my boys have seen the guns up close and held them safely. The oldest 2 have shot them.. Education of yourself and children about guns will really help...I can leave my gun on the counter and they walk right by it, it is not curious to them and they know how dangerous guns are...
     
  6. UroTrash

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    Quick access safe is only way to go.

    There is one that has finger grooves. You mount it under your bed and in the dark you can open it with the right finger strokes and the gun is quietly available.

    http://www.cabelas.com/prod-1/0005562222855a.shtml
     
  7. toggie

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    I agree. I have an older AMSEC handgun safe. Similar to the PB2 model on this web page:
    http://www.amsecusa.com/hand-gun-safes.htm

    With one of these handgun safes, you can get to your gun in a few seconds time.
    The best compromise between child safety and quick access.

    You can buy more than one handgun safe and keep it in different rooms (master bedroom, family room, etc.).

    An NRA Safety Course is highly recommended. The one I took some years back did some shooting at the range, gun safety recommendations, went over legal issues, how to safely transport a gun, and they watched us clean our guns after the practice range to make sure we knew what we were doing and did it safely.
     
  8. classic308

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    Take your children to the range or even better a secluded place and let them fire the weapon-if they are still young the noise/recoil will scare them AND their curiousity will be satisfied;one thing seeing a gun firing on TV and another when its live. I myself have a gun safe but I like Uro's suggestion...
     
  9. GrndLkNatv

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    Teach them what guns are... Teach them to respect guns, not to touch them unless you are around and most of all get them out on the range and let them fire the guns to see what happens. Put your kids in Hunter Safety classes, NRA has them everywhere, and we took them in the 5th grade as part of the public school classes...

    I learned to shoot at age 6 with a Winchester .22 bolt action, father took me out, I just handed that same gun down to my son who is 7 and he was taught the same way my father was taught and the same way I was taught. My 5 year old son was just taught at the same time, with that same gun.

    We store our guns in a locked gun cabinet, bullets are stored in another locked cabinet away from the guns and our kids have no problems because they know what guns can do and they don't have any curiosity about them anymore as they have used them and understand them.
     
  10. Gilles27

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    Bo--what area do you live in and how old are the kids?
     
  11. madmaxatl

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    For home defense a short barrel 410 with bird shot is what to go with. Buy a keypad safe and keep it in there. The 410 patters spreads out much more quickly than other calibers and will not go through as many walls as other calibers (you don't want someone in your family or a bystander to get hit because the shot travels too far).
    I received this advice from a former navy seal.
    I use a thunder 5. Its a revolver that shoots .410 shotgun shells and or .45LC bullets, it has a 2 inch barrel and is built like a brick. Phenomenal home defense gun.
    http://www.securityarms.com/20010315/galleryfiles/1600/1614.htm

    If you choose to get a handgun get a revolver, you don't have to remember to cock it or have to think about cocking it in a situation as tense as a break in. Just take the safety off and pull the trigger. Don't get some huge caliber unless your very familiar with guns. I would not recommend a handgun (that only shoots bullets) for home defense unless you are a seasoned shooter as well as very familiar with guns and with tons of practice shooting said pistol.
     
  12. Tyler

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    +1 Education is the best firearms safety measure there is.
     
  13. parkerfe

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    I agree. I have numerous guns and young daughters(10,12 & 14)in my house.I have taught my girls gun safety and have carried them to the shooting range and allowed them to shoot. I do keep all my guns unloaded in a gun safe except for a 357 pistol that I keep in a quick access electronic box that allows me to open with a four finger code in the dark if needed. I got my first gun, an Ithaca 20 gauge shotgun at 12 years old and used it to go dove hunting with my grandfather.
     
  14. Choptop

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    +1 education

    if kids can be taught not to cut themselves with knives (which are just laying in a drawer in most homes), not to drink bleach, not to set themselves on fire...they can be taught not to shoot themselves or others.
     
  15. darth550

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    I was brought up with gun education, started shooting what I was 8-9.

    My first rifle was my Bar Mitzvah present! :)
     
  16. parkerfe

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    As I stated above, I agree. However, what a parent does have to be concerned with is a friend of your child coming over to play and finding the gun. And, when one of my daughters go to a friend's house one of the questions I always ask the parent is do you have a gun in the house and if so, is it in a gun safe?
     
  17. shakazulu12

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    I would put these in the order I think are most secure.

    -Fingerprint gun safe under the bad
    -EDUCATION
    -EDUCATION
    -EDUCATION
    -EDUCATION
    -Anything after education is pretty stupid, but if you insist
    -no round in chamber, non-traditional safety. I have an HK P7, squeeze cocking safety, nobody who wasn't shown how the safety works could get it to fire on the first try, and its really difficult to chamber a round. Yet I can do it in about half a second.
    -Put somewhere they can't get to (yeah right, these are kids we are talking about here, they are the spawn of spiderman I swear)
    -Don't keep guns in the house.

    I actually think the list for "Most Useful" would put education on top. If your kids are responsible enough, they will keep their friends from messing with it as well. I knew as a kid never to touch my dad's stereo, or it meant a whoopin'. Likewise, if my friends went near that thing, I got the whoopin', guess what? Nobody ever touched that stereo.
     
  18. UroTrash

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    Education is important but it does not help with neighbor kids or your own kid suffering from a childhood brain fart. No matter how well you train them, kids will be kids.

    There is no substitute for locked security.

    If nothing else, your liability is so high it is insane not to keep every weapon secured at all times.
     
  19. YellowbirdRS

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    Get you a GunVault Bio Vault with fingerprint scanner quick access no locks and only you can access to your gun best solution for home defense firearm safety.
     
  20. venusone

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    Regardless of education, your kid will worship your gun as source of extreme power & more importantly, so will his/her friends. Trusting a kid in the house w/out guns locked in a safe is just plain stupid. You may show them how to properly use it in case they come on a situation w/ a gun in a friend’s house, etc. but scare the **** out of them before & after to make sure alarms go off in their head if they see one. Photos of AK47 or shotgun wounds should pretty much do it. Even a 22 to the head w/ a vegetable life after is shocking. These are available on the internet. I take them all the time in the ED. Watch, “Trauma: Life in the ER” or “Code Blue” (10 episodes were filmed at the level 1 trauma center I work at). Good luck.
     
  21. jk0001

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    The best safe handgun is one locked in a safe. I personally would not use a handgun for protection. I find a coachgun or a Winchester 1300 tactical shotgun with slugs and OO more of a pleasure to use.
     
  22. UroTrash

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    I think that #4 buckshot is recommended rather than 00 because of its greater numbers and decreased penetration thru interior walls. A #4 buckshot is about the size of a .22LR bullet.
     
  23. CAS

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    Absolutely no handgun (or gun) is childproof. The mere fact that you are asking the question means that you are not yet ready for firearm ownership. I would suggest that you head down to your local shooting range and inquire about basic gun safety courses before you even consider moving forward with handgun ownership.

    I'm not trying to be condescending towards you - I am completely serious. I am trying to help you or your family avoid any sort of firearm accident. After YOU take a couple of courses and have burned into your mind the titanic responsibility of gun ownership, I echo the previous posters sentiments towards education and experiencing firearms in a safe, controlled, and serious environment. You can never be too careful with a gun.
     
  24. Dcup

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    Very good choice !! I was going to buy one of these but bought a Ruger 357 instead. I was more concerned with the difference in length of the 2 guns. Went with the pistol because,1- I wanted serious knock down power and 2 - i wanted something not long and bulky. A pistol to me, is more control.
    PS> our local police station gives trigger locks away for free.
     
  25. Darolls

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    The safest handgun is NO gun at all!

    Betcha' if you bought one for home protection alone, chances are 99.9% it would never need to be used.
    Lest, of course, you live in a crime ridden 'project'.....which I doubt.
     

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