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Best USGP track other than Indy?

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  1. JLocke

    JLocke Karting

    May 26, 2005
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    What are the realistic possibilities of moving the USGP to another track? I ask just because there is such speculation as to the future of F1 in the US. Personally, I think it would be a huge mistake for F1 to ignore the US market. With global competition and vastly improved media communications, F1 sponsors ignoring the US market would, in my opinion, be suicide.

    Regardless, the F1 brand itself took a real hit yesterday. It will be interesting to see what measures they take to repair things. Perahps it's to their advantage that F1 is not so broadly known here in the US (except among its race fans)!

    I've read herein that the sentimental favorite for hosting the USGP might be Watkins Glen in NY. And I've also read about the track requirements for the race and how expensive meeting those needs would be. Pardon my ignorance; but, what (generally) is needed that couldn't be met by any track now hosting "serious racing?"

    Here in Alabama is a neat and very polished track that I think might be a candidate. Barber Motorsports Park. It's a bit short at 2.3 miles (but it's 45' wide). But it's very new and modern and is a road course that seems to me could be ideal for F1. Other positives is that automotive manufacturing and engineering is growing here in the state. Within easy driving distance of the track are Mercedes and Honda manufacturing facilities--great opportunities for those constructors to be involved in promotion.

    I know it's in the middle of the NASCAR Nation. But Barber is located in sports--and motorsports--crazy Birmingham; there are zillions of race and car fans within easy driving distance and it's also in the middle of a growing region of the country hungry for such opportunities. And, frankly, I'd prefer to have it hosted by those hungry to do well than in some other place where it's "just another event we got because we're who we are."

    Thoughts?
     
  2. rfeaster

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    As a holder of a worthless 2005 USGP ticket stub, I don't care if or where they move it....I'm done with F1. There's plenty of other racing to follow.
     
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  4. sjb509

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    With a few changes, Road America in Wisconsin could probably be used. There are a few areas that need attention with regard to safety. It would be very fast and challenging.

    Watkins Glen would also be a possibility, but having two races (Montreal and NY) on consecutive weekends so close to each other seems unlikely.

    A race in Las Vegas or somewhere in CA would probably have the best chance. A few years ago there was talk of a street race in San Fran. I don't know how that would go over, and safety would be about like Monaco.

    In a perfect world somebody needs to build a track, far away from suburbs. Built to satisfy FIA & FIM safety requirements. Preferably in a central location in the US. F1, MotoGP, World Superbike, AMA, ALMS, IRL, CART...all of them could then race there. Elevation changes, both fast and slower turns. No chicanes. No overpass walkways (use tunnels). No armco barriers, just tire and air fence. 4 mile length minimum. Of course this will never happen.
     
  5. beast

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    I would like to see Barber as a possible F1 location watching the superbike races on that track it is a quite beautiful location. The only issue i have heard that the track does not have enough run off area.

    Laguna Seca might be another possibility as the Run off areas have been increased quite a bit for the upcomming MotoGP race there next month. It also has shown that modern F1 cars can run there at the Monterey Historics last August.

    Laguna and Barber does have one thing that most of the current racetracks on the F1 calander dont. Elevation Changes.

    Just the sight of the F2003-GA and F2002 going down the corkscrew was quite a site. and the sound absolutly stunning.

    The problem i see with Laguna is infrastructure. The San Francicso or oakland airports are to far away, Motels while are high quality in Monterey they are not plentiful enough. Salinas was sold out for the Historics and is booked solid for the MotoGP race also. An F1 race at Laguna would require fans to drive down from San Jose, Oakland, San Francisco to see the race clogging up the PCH and 101.

    Watkins Glen from what i understand is that it does not have enough runoff area also, Same with Mid-Ohio, Road America, Road Atlanta.

    The US is going to have to build a new track to create a new USGP.
     
  6. racerx

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    Road america is nice but F1 used to put on a great show in downtown detroit. I would rather see an actual city street course. With the ultimate being Washington DC around all the monuments, the straight by the mall then along the potomac and back to the capitol.
     
  7. Gatorrari

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    NO!! ABSOLUTELY NOT!!

    I have seen G.P.s at both Long Beach and Detroit and did not enjoy the experience. Sight lines were terrible and at Long Beach, at least, if you were not in a grandstand seat (and some of them were terrible) or in a building, you saw nothing.

    I tolerate Monaco because of its history, but otherwise street circuits (and not just in F1) stink!!
     
  8. BartonWorkman

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    Laguna Seca would be the logical choice and has been discussed as a possibility to host a second USGP F-1 date for a while now.

    They will have to work to bring the facility up to F-1 standards and they've already invested heavilly on improving safety since the Gonzolo Rodriquez incident.

    Part of the F-1 ownership is based in San Fransisco and they are very anxious to have a GP in their back yard. Laguna Seca is near the huge San Francisco/Oakland media market so it all make sense.

    Indy simply is not an F-1 venue, hard as they've tried.

    BHW
     
  9. ferraripete

    ferraripete F1 World Champ

    the glen has the history and the romantic in me would love to see it there. it is however no in any way going to be able to bring the track up to a safe level.

    barber is a solid choice and is a world class facility and i think w/ eyes on the fia.

    laguna is in the best area w/ what i think could be the best market.

    i would also have thought that road atlanta would have been impressive too but perhaps to short for f1...sub 1 minute laps could be possible at ra!!!
     
  10. bretm

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    If F1 is gonna run outside of LA, NYC, Miami, etc. then at least pick a cool track like Laguna or Daytona where you can camp trackside. Indy is just weird. It has neither the nightlife / dining of a Montreal/Monaco, etc. nor the good times atmosphere of a Le Mans, etc. where everyone camps around and makes a weekend out of being at the track itself.

    I'd vote the Glen, but that's basically impossible as everyone has noted. Even though it's clear across the country for me, I'd pick Laguna out of the realistic choices. Barber is a close second. Cool either way you look at it, MotoGP and F1 both running at Laguna would be nice to see lap time differences, etc. But, it'd also be nice to break it up at different tracks, and Barber is closer for us east coasters.
     
  11. sjb509

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    Wouldn't Barber or Laguna be too tight and slow for F1? Even though Barber is wide, I know when the AMA races superbikes there, there have been grumblings that it really is a one line track. The bikes barely get out of third, and I highly doubt MotoGP will ever race at Barber. Both tracks would see times F1 lap times around 1:05 or so, too short IMO. The Minardi would be lapped four or five times. Laguna might be too narrow as well, but I have never driven it.

    As far as Indianapolis not being an F1 race venue, I would argue that given the history and scale of the facility, there are few tracks in the world that can compare. The quality of the infield track is debatable, but 200,000 fans watching the cars scream by at over 200 mph is unmatched.

    Does anyone remember the airport track in Cleveland that CART used to race on? I haven't seen a race from there for several years, but I remember multiple line choices, huge paved runoff areas, and close racing. As for the atmosphere surrounding a temporary airport track, it would be sorely lacking. At least Michelin would be able to make tires that could last.
     
  12. BMW.SauberF1Team

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    I guess Daytona could be used and Michelin by that time would have enough data to make a tire for the banked curves. Although the infield and banked curve would probably be simliar to Indy's and drivers would say it's boring.
     
  13. racerx3317

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    Road America would be awesome as would Road Atlanta and Mid-Ohio. Laguna would be good as well. Being from NY though, i would love to see a street course race in Mahattan, that would be something. Never happen though.
     
  14. F2003-GA

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    Toyota make's billions in US profits they should build a state of the art track in Vegas.
     
  15. parkerfe

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    That new Barber track in Alabama is great ...but, I'm not sure that area has the hotels, ect...to accommodate the F1 circus and fans.
     
  16. JLocke

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    They do.

    Football is a bazillion fan thing in Alabama and for years Birmingham had a lock on the action. And since those days, Birmigham has continued to grow and expand both in in terms of available rooms and other amenities.

    I agree with some observers above that Laguna Seca might be a good choice. But I would disagree that a reason for it being there would be that it's in the backyard of some San Francisco-based F1 ownership. Rather, the focus needs to be not on "what F1 has to sell" but, rather, on what will serve the fans (customers). But, that said, Laguna Seca could be a great venue.

    And, consider this: Bernie has let it be known that he'd like to see two GP's in the US. Perhaps Laguna Seca and Barber? That would cover both coasts, two heavily populated race fan areas, etc.

    (As an aside, if Bernie gets down here to Alabama, he'd better act like a gentleman or he might be high-tailin' back to the safety of the British Isles as quickly as his little butt will take him...)
     
  17. Husker

    Husker F1 World Champ

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    How about Daytona or Texas Motor Speedway? For the U.S., F1 could just do the roundy-round. Uhhhh. On the other hand...the tires might not stand it.
     
  18. parkerfe

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    Daytona's and TMS's infield round courses are as bad as Indys.
     
  19. matteo

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    I would love to see it at Laguna Seca, Infinion, or back in Phoenix.
     
  20. rated///M

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    CMP in Kershaw, SC would be perfect. :D
     
  21. Gatorrari

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    I think that if Road Atlanta is deemed reasonably acceptable, Don Panoz will probably pay whatever it takes to finish the job. The main problem is a lack of grandstands and meager concession facilities.
     
  22. BMW.SauberF1Team

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    The problems with the road courses in the US is that basically none can handle huge crowds like F1 or Nascar. The tracks that can handle crowds that big are the huge ovals for Nascar and the infield track is always a side thought. If F1 is looking for a track that is turnkey ready for next year, they really have no choice other than using a Nascar oval and infield. Anyother track will take a lot of time and money to get ready for F1. I think Daytona is probably the 2nd track to Indy that is one of the most recognizable US tracks in the world.
     
  23. bruceski3

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    I wish VIR (Virginia International Raceway) had enough grandstands and consessions to hold all the great amount of F1 fans. Too bad it doesn't have many hotels in the area, places to eat, etc.....except for my hotel which is nearby , I would be slammed full :) .

    Located within the 1,200 acre VIR campus, Raceplex™, a motorsports industrial park, offers its tenants not only a strategic Mid-Atlantic location in the heart of Southside Virginia's 'Motorsports Alley'.

    VIR's various configurations is the new Grand Course East. At 4.2 miles, it is the longest road racing circuit in America, a real driver's course with 130 feet of elevation change and 30 challenging turns. Many of America's top racing teams select VIR as their primary test track. www.virclub.com
     
  24. Gary@Ronal

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    My best guess would be Infinion, Sears Point. New renovations have recently been taken, more underway---a ton of money has been spent there, over the last few years....Also, Laguna Seca would be great---but those would be my choices....
    The West Coast following of Ferrari, myself inc, and other racing enthusiasts, would be of great interest to the TV rights, etc.
    We'll see, but I don't see it in Indy, NEXT YEAR!
     
  25. giago

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    I want something like LAS VEGAS.
    That is a great business!!!

    well if not my vote will go to INFINEON, or ROAD AMERICA.
     

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