Best value in vintage Ferrari's today?

I think the Daytona Berlinettas in the $200-300K range are comparative values against 330's, Dinos, 275s, etc. Buy what you love, but invest in icons.

 

Most vintage Ferraris are a great value in comparison to Hemi Cudas but if you are buying one as an investment, don't - you will likely do much better in the stock market.

Regards,

Art S.

 

I think the 246 Dino's are really high, the 365 Daytonas are fair and flat. Look at the really old V-12's with low production #'s, even if they're a bit ugly and take a while to sell.

My vote is for the 195, 212, 250 GTE...

 

I probably shouldn't say this, but my guess is 330 GTS. I want one.

Dale

 

Best values are probably the C/4 and Daytona. As an investment, though, it will be those rare cars with race history, looks, etc. There is a reason why a smart individual paid "over the top" money of the pick of the litter TdF. The best will always be worth it. For "road cars", I would put my money on Spyder Californias. It's probably a toss up between an alloy body CA Spyder and NART Spyder for desirability.

In general, any open V12 vintage Ferrari should be good property. To put this into perspective, without acutally adding them up, Ferrari built approximately 1000 open cars up until they made the 348 Spider. Ferrari made over six times that in 360 Spiders alone.

Supply and demand will be at work here.

Steve

 

In my humble experience I believe strongly in two principles. One is that cars are not investments and should be simply looked like you would a vacation. If you love it and drive it and enjoy it and you don't lose your ass you will be lucky. Principle number two is always buy the best, the one with no questions, no problems, nothing weird. Buy the best car you can afford. Spend as much money as it takes. You will always be ahead of the pack and if things go badly you will always be able to get out earlier than the people who bought the deal with an off engine or an eccentric configuration.

 

not vintage, but 288 gto's, are going to soar... and soon imo.
Daytona Coupes will also continue to rise IMHO.

 

+1

 

In the next couple of years anybody that had a chance to buy a nice 330gt for 60k is going to be kicking themselves.

 

I think they already are! It seems like 2 headlamp 330 GT 2+2s that are really nice (needs nothing, but not concours) are going for $75,000 or more right now (if you can actually find one). Same for 250 GTEs and the 330 America variant.

 

Dont you have one already

 

OK, but what are the REAL prices for a 330GTC or a GTS (obviously more for the spider) in excellent, but not concours condition?

 

330 GTCs were more valuable than Daytonas a couple of years ago. GTCs have THE classic look and will probably catch Daytona value again.
I also vote for Boxers. Good ones are all over $100K now in Europe and they're a fantastic value today compared to older Ferraris. Boxers are also easier to keep since they are pretty much rust-free.

 

I think the best value in Vintage Ferraris is really rare cars like Testa Rossas or GTO's or cars of that ilk. They are unique, desired universally and there will always be buyers for them at any price

 

I suspect 410SA may be right, but I also think the thrust of this thread was regarding vintage cars a little bit south of $10 million.

 

"Chicane" you might want to re-phrase the question by range!

Best Value under $100k
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Best Value between $100k and $300k
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Best Value $300k to $900k
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Best Value over $1M
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A 410 is less than half that

Boxers and "modern" TRs do nothing for me, so......

 

Forgive me for getting metaphysical here, but what is value? The denominator is dollars but only you can denominate the numerator. That "number" is it how it looks to you, or how you in it look to others, or how it is, all by your self, early in the morning at speed on a twisty road. This measures can get you answers from a Dino to a 308 to a GT4, it can also get you from a 250 PF Cab to a 275GTB ("they" won't know the difference between a short or long nose, alloy or steel, 3 or 6 carbs), to a 250 SWB. In between are dozens of cars, all in the long run are bad investments, but each can be wonderful to those who are holding them for their moment in time. Where it is not thought thorough, there is a most unhappy owner: the Daytona guy who tires of the effort of driving his new prize, or the 550 owner appalled by the cost of ownership. Where its right, it is fabulous as in the six 400I owners who brought their cars to Pebble - passion? They were more than a match for the checkbook guys on the lawn with multi million dollar cars restored by the greatest talent in the nation. So your Ferrari is not with us, its with you, smell them, climb under them, look at them from every angle, listen to them, most of all drive them, behind the wheel each are as individual as the children Enzo brought to life. One of them will captivate you, that is the one to pursue and borrow to enjoy for your time. The value of that car will be priceless.

 

I don't know if this is what Chicane had in mind, but lets look at it very simply.

I've got $100K to spend. What can I get that will appreciate the most over 10 years? Actually, lets make it 150K. $100K doesn't buy squat nowadays...

 

If by "best value" you mean the most car, and enjoyable driving experience, for your money, I'd go with a 365 2+2. They haven't had the appreciation that the other 2+2s have had, as far as I can tell, are fun to drive with all the vintage feel, and yet are still highly driveable cars.

I end up using mine as a daily driver for at least a few weeks out of the year, and it's very practical. Plus, they are excellent tourers, if you're into that.

However, if it's appreciation you're after, read what the other guys have said about cars not being investments. None of the 2+2s are going to be great investments, IMO, unless you are very lucky.

 

INVESTMENT.....If you buy the right Ferrari at the time, Ferrari's are a very good investment. Dont let any one tell you different. Do your homework. This applies to the whole range from 1948 to now. Some models have a "dont touch at any time" label, but try and look at what is becoming popular. The more you invest, generally the more you will make (or loose). Good Luck.

 

Modern car - 550 or 456

Older car - Boxer (but keep your checkbook handy)

Dale