Best way to raise it?

Jack up the back, two jack stands underneath
Jack up the front, two jack stands underneath
Repeat until at the tall enough height

 

don't feel bad
every time i jack the thing up i'm always terrified envisioning jackstands slipping and piercing floors and engine cases.
the part i like the best is having the car balanced on the jack and one stand while the opposite corner floats until you get the stand raised.
just take your time and think about what you're doing.

 

2-Ton Racing Jack Pack | Aluminum Jack Stands | OTC Tools

This is the Jack I use
Low profile and light

 

I use the OTC aluminum floor jacks and jack stands as well, good stuff for this car.

I don't use jack points, I just use the inner frame rails (but not crossmembers!). Low profile floor jacks can get to them front and rear at the stock suspension height. I use hockey pucks between the jacks and frame to keep pressure even and not pinch anything. If you use the stock jack points with a normal jack, you'll crush the little rails that are supposed to hold the stock jack in place (many are already bent all over the place anyway though). Also, the stock jack points will raise the entire side of the car, not one corner. Not necessarily a problem, just something to be aware of.

 

Not that different from a GT4 maybe just the jack points

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/technical-q/61449-chapter-one-jacking-up-308-gt4-ferrari.html

 

On my 328 rear, I use a floor jack with a piece of 2x4 under the center of the crossmember to the rear of the engine. There is a reinforcement pad located there that appears to be there for that purpose. As noted, if you jack at a normal jacking point, the entire rear of the car will lift from the ground anyway. It's easer to use the center point so that both sides are equally off and slide the jackstands into position. Takes two minutes.

 

There's a bunch of threads on this including pics of the safe jack stand points.
I prefer to use this low profile jack with this crossmember to lift the whole rear in one shot. Otherwise, watching the frame twist as it lifts make me twinge.
And I recall somebody dug up the stats the a 2x4 isn't strong enough to trust.
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For me, the 2x4 is just there to provide a bit of a pad between the jack's metal pad and the crossmember, not to handle any weight at it's ends. I just put a piece there about 6" long between the jack pad/crossmember pad. Any piece of firm material would work…a hockey puck, for example. It's just there to avoid any metal to metal contact.

The crossmember - at least on the 328 - is plenty capable of holding the car's rear weight. If you lift the car with the standard jack at a jack point the entire rear will lift off the ground before you get the wheel clear enough of the ground to change it. Heck, there's a far greater chance of twisting the frame when the entire rear is lifted at one corner and that's the standard method for changing a tire so I don't think there is any real concern re frame twisting.

 

OK, I am in the paranoid club as well for jacking up my toy. I've seen comments that support using the "stock" jack points is ok, others indicate it's a disaster waiting to bend my car.
I've got the JPG of the jackstand locations hung in my garage

Please feel free (or not) to abuse me a little if you must, but am looking for info so I don't make a mistake I'll regret

1. So can you use the stock jacking points or not?
2. If you had to change a tire (heaven forbid) and used the scissor jack, will that cause any issues?
3. If you use the stock points with a low rise floor jack, is it acceptable to carve a hockey puck to cradle the "U" channel, placing the load in the center and alleviating the potential for crushing of the "U" channel.
4. Lastly since I currently nosing around buying a floor jack, any need for the super low Arcan XL2T, or just go with a good low rise Aluminum one (ex.Jegs 80006)

Thanks

 

Glenn when I first got my car I used the supplied yellow foor jack to jack the car up and needed to leave it overnight. I was a newbie and there was not the massive info online like now. Anyway I came home the next day and the car was still on the jack but it was seriously leaning (the jack). This was on a perfectly flat garage floor. I would think the supplied jack would work in an emegrency but would not use it on a slanted surface for an extended period...

Rob

If you still have a upside down U cahnnel you are lucky mine were folded flat. If you read my post above it gives all my advice for the GT4 but the GTB frame is the same. I recently sanded and painted my outer frame rail and they are very robust....

 

Rob

Thanks for the reply, Trust me when I say I've read and reread your very good and detailed post probably a hundred times. Just paranoid about this and wanted to double (triple..) check.
Scissor jack only in an emergency, other than that, stick to your guidlines and learnings.
Appreciate your help, thanks

 

Glenn,

I have done allot of dumb stuff not having experience and or guidance starting 21 years ago with my GT4. I am hoping I can pass on my mistakes so that others will not repeat them. The frame is very strong. Get jack stands rated way beyond your needs like 3 ton or 5 ton and you will feel safer! I wish my garage would accomodate a lift but it wont and not sure what I will do when I get too old to crawl around!

Rob

 

For anybody doing work under their car using jack stands, make sure you also put some sort of safety block under the frame in case the jack stand decides to give up and fold. Use an old wheel or a big chunk of wood beam or even a tree stump. Just have something that won't get crushed and will keep the car off you.

I have a friend who does a ton of work on his car using jack stands. One day one of the stands gave out and through sheer luck, as the car tipped onto his chest, the door opened and helped to tip the car enough that he was able to get out of the way. He told me that he thought he was going to die at that moment. He said the weight of the car crushing his chest was unimaginable and there is nothing you can do about it. Needless to say he got rid of his old jack stands and got the heaviest duty stands he could find. And he always uses a safety block now.

 

I just keep both jacks in position sharing a little of the weight with the jack stands. A little cumbersome, but worth piece of mind.

 

Thats what I do.

At the front I use two Arcan aluminium jacks, one each side on the frame rails.

 

I just finished a belt change. I used 8 Sears jack stands......two at each point, and had the floor jacks at the jacking points tight against the car. I am usually alone in the garage, and a little overly paranoid. The low profile jacks at Costco are a good deal at 99.00 for either aluminum or steel. I have one of each and now wish they were both steel.

 

I Just bought a quick jack and it is amazing. It lifts the whole car high enough to comfortably work on it. I to did a brake fluid flush and coolant change. For $1000 if you do your own work it's fabulous.

 

OK, been investigating the quick jack BL3500 based on your post (and it's on sale for $900 right now), but I've hit on a question.....
How are you lifting your 308 with it?

Based on the safe jack stand, jacking points diagram shared by Robert Garvin in another thread (http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/technical-q-sponsored-algar-ferrari/61449-chapter-one-jacking-up-308-gt4-ferrari-2.html) you can't have the lifts on a diagonal where the jack stand points are shown in red, so am really curious what you're using as safe/strong, no chassis or sheetmetal bending lift points?

Even looking at the diagram M8 from the 308qv workshop manual isn't shedding any light on this.

Any and all insight (especially pictures) around this is appreciated

 

There are several threads on this with lots of people describing how they raise thier 308 by jacking from the side using the middle point just inside of the U-channels. I am of that school.

In the photo, the red arrows show where the jack goes and the blue arrows show an option for the jack stands. (Does anyone have a beter photo of the bottom of a 308?)

I use jack stands rated for 10,000 lbs. These are both higher and more stable.

Jacking a car is dangerous. All I will say is that the above works for me (... so far).
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Ok, but I am referring to a lift system, not jacking it up. Curious to see where folks who have lifts like the quick jack system locate them under the chassis so nothing gets bent. Don't want to post a link to their site so it isn't misconstrued as advertising for them.

 

Anybody.......

 

Glenn,

I still stand by my original advice, and only wish I had room for lift......
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