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Beware of Cavallino 2022 changes and Canossa

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  1. Luigi.O

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    Hello everyone

    I am personally putting a huge effort in developing the beautiful creature that John Barnes has grown over the last 30 years.
    We are not changing anything that made Cavallino great in the past, just trying to make it even better and enhance that experience.

    The recent editions of Cavallino Classic in Modena and Abu Dhabi were the first steps of a big plan to continue the growth of Cavallino, to attract the younger generations and to spread around the world the culture and the love for Ferrari we all share.

    This year in Palm Beach we are celebrating the 75th anniversary of Ferrari with a lineup that no one else has ever tried before and that will be fantastic.
    We are bringing a chef from Modena to prepare hand-made tortellini for the awards dinner. And it’s not just any one, it’s the grandson of Enzo Ferrari’s personal cook.
    With these actions and others that you will soon see in Palm Beach, we are trying to make Cavallino even better.

    With this in mind, as often happens in life, we had to take many decisions, with all the pros and cons.
    And we have taken the decision not to have car dealers who normally trade Ferraris as judges, for many reasons. Nothing else.

    We understand that this won’t make everybody happy, and we have offered our apologies for the late notice to those five respectable gentlemen, also offering them a complimentary VIP access to the Saturday and to the Sunday (or reimburse their travel expenses if they decide not to come to Palm Beach).

    Please allow me to clarify that it is absolutely NOT true that those gentlemen are not allowed on the field, they are most welcome indeed: that’s why we invited them to attend as VIP guests.
    Moreover, we do NOT have any plan to move the event to Miami or to accept only certified Ferraris in the future. At all!

    I have just arrived in Florida and I will be happy to explain my vision to everyone who will be attending the world’s best Ferrari event in Palm Beach.

    Luigi Orlandini
    Chairman of Cavallino
     
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  2. HotShoe

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    I implore you going forward to keep this cherished event true to its ideals and heritage by supporting the countless people who selflessly sacrificed their time and knowledge to make it THE premier Ferrari event.

    It truly would be a tragedy to see it “Miamified” by your parent group as many believe it soon will be. Hopefully the track day moving to the Concours Club isn’t the canary in the coal mine. It certainly doesn’t bode well IMO.

    We have enough cookie cutter velvet roped “concours” here. The Classic remains an icon in a sea of insta-poseur events that are nauseating shell games for car sales and ego trips for “collectors” to get their pat on the back.

    It hurts my soul to think the Classic as I know it might cease to exist. Frankly I’d rather see it die than moved to Miami and prostituted.

    I truly wish you the best of luck as the new steward of the Cavallino Classic.
     
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  3. Rossocorsa1

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    This is awful news. It’s shocking and very upsetting. As someone who has supported and exhibited at many Cavallino’s for many years, it frankly is just sad. As the originator for the past few years of the annual Cavallino Classic thread, it makes me very angry. I always held this event as the finest Ferrari only concours in the world. It would seem that is now just a memory. Thank you for letting us all know.
     
  4. enio45

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    I would like to understand what was the concern and implications of this?

    "And we have taken the decision not to have car dealers who normally trade Ferraris as judges, for many reasons. Nothing else."

    Were there problems in the past because of this?

    I know several of the ones banned - you cannot textbook or read the years of experience they bring to the table.

    Help me understand this issue?
     
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  5. garybobileff

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    Paraphrase: No Doctors allowed in the surgery room, only observers doing the surgery.
    Gary Bobileff
     
  6. Edward 96GTS

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    off to a shaky start.
     
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  7. papou

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    They’ve put there foot through a Rembrandt..
     
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  8. JAM1

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    Commendable you have responded to the issue publicly. However, the idea you’d rule out qualified expert judges based on their vocation is completely and totally absurd. While I don’t want to insult Ferrari dealership sales people the idea any one of them would judge a car on concourse, particularly a rare or vintage example, as opposed to someone like Gary would be a non-starter for me. I wouldn’t bother to attend as a spectator based on that alone; let alone prepare, register, transport, and show any one of my Ferraris at Cavallino. The setting, chefs, sponsors, etc are nice but it’s the legitimacy of the show hanging on proper judges shoulders that attracted the serious cars and made this show what it was, and I think you need to reconsider your policy and hope the damage isn’t already irreparable.
     
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  9. Rossocorsa1

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    Always fascinating to me when seemingly very smart business people make such elementary flubs. Who actually conjures up these peculiar policies. Why can’t people who sell Ferrari’s be judges? There’s a simple answer - of course they can. Silly policies to appease someone. The question is who? Spare us the “change is always difficult” speech. Sure, change the menu and the awards presentation, and many other nice touches, but destroy the integrity of the concours and Cavallino as it was is over.
     
  10. George Vosburgh

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    Just speaking with a long time collector here in town that started with a new 330 GTC. He will be going and he told me this is the last year at the Breakers. The show is going to Miami.
     
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  11. Nospinzone

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    I know in the "Events" thread you were a staunch supporter of the Cavallino Classic. For you to express this carries a lot of weight.
     
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  12. BigTex

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    Well one year in "modern Miami" and that will settle things.....Next!!
     
  13. tbakowsky

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    I'm sorry. But this is completely idiotic.

    1st.. you have decided to ban judges who work at places that sell Ferrari cars...only to replace those people with those who sell Ferrari cars.

    2nd. You have failed to grasp the very fact that some of the most world renowned Ferrari restoration specialists may have never worked for Ferrari.

    3rd.. Ferrari's classic program leaves a lot to be desired. Many of these so called certified cars are far from being as original . Heck Ferrari classic certified a reproduction.

    4th. This reeks of corporates complete lack of knowledge and understanding of the very brand they are trying to represent
    You have effectively killed a legendary event your first time out. Congrats.
     
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  14. enio45

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    Sounds like you need a steering committee of previous Cavallino participants and experienced judges to help make meaningful decisions.

    Cavallino event - is not a life style event for the true owners of restored or original vehicles. Its the opportunity achieve Platinum, regardless of the
    pasta or jet party, or other activities. With the achievement, the owners expect top notch , experienced and knowlegable judges to evaluate their efforts
    they have put into their cars. Tens of thousands of dollars are spent to get the car there to help support the event. In return we expect improvement in the quality of the judging, organization of the event and all the rest is that goes on is gravy.
     
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  15. MikeMonty

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    Gents,

    Give him a break. He is destroying a long running event that was well run for true Ferrari enthusiasts. However, he is bringing a chef from Modena to prepare hand-made tortellini for the awards dinner. And it’s not just any one, it’s the grandson of Enzo Ferrari’s personal cook. Hand made tortellini for dinner beats selling out your loyal Ferrari clientele. He is looking to attract younger generations, maybe Luigi can make some tic-tok videos for Cavallino, can pay some "influencers" to so some dances in front of the cars for maximum likes and take selfies. Future of the Cavallino event sounds great!
     
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  16. Rossocorsa1

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    Luigi - here’s a chanace to do what few are courageous enough to do, and it isn’t too late. Swallow your pride, tell whoever on your staff that advises you to make these idiotic moves they were wrong, reverse the stupid decisions, admit when you’re wrong, focus on improving the countless things you can do to make the event bigger and better, and be celebrated for taking Cavallino to the next level. When pride gets in the way, it’s the hardest and the smartest decision you’ll ever make. You can shore up your foundation while at the same time growing your future. The greatest brands do this skillfully. Best of luck to you.
     
  17. Marcel Massini

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    #42 Marcel Massini, Jan 13, 2022
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    @Luigi Orlandini: Have you ever personally met any of the five/six judges that were kicked out? Ever? Just asking.
    Second question, please: why were 8 other judges NOT dis-invited, all 8 of them are very well known car dealers (not from official factory dealerships!), some since decades? What is the rationale behind this?
    Is it just lack of overall knowledge by the new owners of the event? Pure and simple arrogance? Factory dictate?

    Now, let's go back to the handmade Tortellini......(would I fly 12 hours ZRH to MIA/WPB for these?).
    Cavallino has never been a lifestyle event, it has always been a true (if not the truest) classic Ferrari event and that is good. For 3 iconic decades it has been about the cars some of us love so much, not about Tortellini and Prosecco.

    Marcel Massini
     
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  18. Solid State

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    Have news for you they don't even know about the new cars their selling.
     
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  19. JAM1

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    Indeed. Care to hypothesize the most frequently asked “judging” questions by the freshmen?

    - “What’s with all the dings on the inside of these panels?”
    - “What are those things affixed to the top of the motor?”
    - Or what I suspect would be the top of the list… “carfax says the vin is invalid?”

    Real car shows require real judges. Period.
     
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  20. crinoid

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    They’ve got a Purosangue to sell.
     
  21. Marcel Massini

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    Naaa, that's sold out already........
    PS: didn't you get one? Not on the list? Sorry for you........

    Marcel Massini
     
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  22. crinoid

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    No thank you. You can collect as many as you like.
     
  23. rob lay

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    There is a falsehood going around in this thread that all the IAC/FPA type judges have been replaced by dealer salesman. I don't know how many IAC/FPA judges there are, but Luigi and others have noted only 5 aren't judging because they deal in Ferraris. How many remain that are just enthusiasts or run service shops? I think only a minority were car dealers. Gary runs a service and restoration shop too, but in general I believe the service group has the most technical knowledge.
     
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  24. rob lay

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    Luigi just said it wasn't going to Miami.
     
  25. HotShoe

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    I know Paul Russell and Dave Olimpi personally. They both sell cars. Paul restores and sells them. Perhaps the powers that be had a grudge against the judges that got the boot? The stated reason is inconsistent with the judges that remain who clearly do the same thing as the ones expelled.

    Can we get that in writing? ;)
     
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