Beware of Cavallino 2022 changes and Canossa

Discussion in 'Ferrari Discussion (not model specific)' started by garybobileff, Jan 12, 2022.

  1. robertgarven

    robertgarven F1 Veteran
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    My perfect complete set of Cavallino have just plummeted in value!!!
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  3. MarkL

    MarkL Karting

    Nov 3, 2003
    Rob ,
    I disagree.
    This all smells like part of a plan to control the Ferrari product cradle to grave. I had a front row seat while They took control of the Historic Challenge and took it from great to gone. They see weakness in the old guard and are forcing their way in. Profits need to be cultivated regardless the cost… New “Ferrari” owners don’t understand what is lost. They are trilled to be allowed a new Ferrari. I am thankful to have been able to spend time with people like Jack Thomas, Jim Fuchs, David Siebert, Wayne Obry and Marcel Massini. My Ferrari world was small but dense.

    This is a conspiracy and it pisses me off.
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  4. papou

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    We used to have good times together
    But now I feel them slip away
    It makes me cry to see love die
    So sad to watch good love go bad
  5. PAUL500

    PAUL500 F1 Rookie

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    I have this vision of Jim G sat in one of those circular chairs, on an island fortress, stroking a white persian ***** cat and laughing out loud as he gets his revenge on all the detractors of his "0846" having now bought up all the shares in Motorsport networks!

    Watch out Rob, you are next! :p
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  7. ross

    ross Three Time F1 World Champ
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  8. Jack-the-lad

    Jack-the-lad Five Time F1 World Champ
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    Your Grace
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  9. Marcel Massini

    Marcel Massini F1 World Champ

    Mar 2, 2005
    As stated here a bit earlier that (the one at The Breakers in Palm Beach this weekend) is not a normal 275 GTB. It rather is a Pininfarina special built for Battista Pininfarina. S/N 06437. Aqua Verde Metallizzato, an Alfa Romeo color.

    The green 275 GTB owned by fchatter Malcolm Barksdale is S/N 08545 and is Verde Medio, a totally different color, and that car is not at Cavallino at the moment.

    Marcel Massini
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  10. Korr

    Korr F1 World Champ
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    Or perhaps they don't want it to fail and are unhappy because it is the only outcome of this debacle.
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  12. Edward 96GTS

    Edward 96GTS F1 Veteran
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    Nov 1, 2003
    did Battista personally dictate the special features such as changing the 275 style steering wheel to a 250 style wheel, etc? or was it presented to him already finished?
  13. rob lay

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    you didn’t read my post correctly then, please be more careful before making blanket statements. all I know about is JustRed because I am involved in that product and Michael got it completely wrong. What else he got wrong I don’t know.
  14. Marcel Massini

    Marcel Massini F1 World Champ

    Mar 2, 2005
    Specially done BY Mr. Pininfarina. He owned it from 3 March 1965 until 11 January 1966.

    Marcel Massini
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  16. of2worlds

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    The 06437 build was the Pininfarina 275 GTB prototype built by Battista Pininfarina and his company. The Lusso seats and many other details were of his choosing. The seating position is for someone five foot seven. Power windows were another unique detail plus extra gauges and different controls locations. The engine was the 275 3.3 liter Ferrari effort that went into later production cars to. You could write a book about all the unique details of this 275 GTB model.

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    detail of the power windows controls
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  17. alex

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    Thanks for posting these wonderful photos!
  18. malcolmb

    malcolmb Formula 3
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    I just checked Marcel, you are correct-08545 is in the garage. 06437 is gorgeous with many interesting details, I saw it at Goodings.Malcolm
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  19. Marcel Massini

    Marcel Massini F1 World Champ

    Mar 2, 2005
    Relieved indeed.

    Marcel Massini
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  20. garybobileff

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    Also notice the absence of a vent window on the left hand side only, really great !
    Gary Bobileff
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  21. Texas Forever

    Texas Forever Five Time F1 World Champ
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    From what Dave Siebert told me before he died, Ferrari killed the Historic Challenge.
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  22. Lusso123

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    Dave was a good friend, I knew him well, for many years. Yes Ferrari did kill the Historic Challenge, and were also responsible for many other negative things. We used to have some great and loooong conversations; quite a few were "off the record" so to speak. I miss Dave, and I miss the way things were before Ferrari started actively screwing things up & dictating things would only be OK if done their way, which includes Classiche and teaming up with entities like Conossa.
  23. rob lay

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    well, I just talked to a IAC/PFA judge friend there now and he said everything was great. Luigi talked to all the judges this morning. we'll see if anyone that is actually there has any problems.
  24. ross

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    thanks for that info Marcel.
    beautiful cars.
  25. Rossocorsa1

    Rossocorsa1 F1 Rookie

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    I’m curious to see if many of the sentiments expressed in this thread have real staying power after the show today, or will Cavallino suffer credible damage. Only time will tell.
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  26. SAFE4NOW

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    If you know you know
    The overcast weather and sprinkles may kept some inside, but there seemed to be more bodies everywhere I looked.

    Several cars no showed , which delayed others from staging on the field ( since everything has its place some cars couldn’t park until others are in theirs )

    The quality and variety of the cars on field and off did not disappoint!

  27. ross

    ross Three Time F1 World Champ
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    the shame, and disgrace for Ferrari Spa, is that they are trying to compel our loyalty and custom instead of earning it.
    IF the dealership were able to provide the best service at the best value, we would all be there with our cars and singing their praises.
    but they often dont.
    if your car car is no longer under warranty, most of them tend to rip your face off with sky high labor costs, parts costs, and lots of attitude.
    not all of the dealers behave like this, and the results speak for themselves.....
    in texas, the houston dealer has a very acrimonious relationship with most owners, whereas in dallas they are fast friends and i know many here who buy there and ship their cars 300 ,miles for service there.
    in geneva, the dealer is not always on everyone's xmas card list, and the dealer in lausanne gets the orders and the service bays are full....

    fish rots from the head.
    leadership matters.
    you can tell when the management is good and when it isnt.
    now it would seem that leadership at Ferrari Spa since the departure of Montezemolo has really lost its way, both for road cars and race cars......
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