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Discussion in 'New York Tri-State' started by technik1, Mar 4, 2004.

  1. technik1

    technik1 Formula Junior

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    There was some discussion last month about Big Brother policing the NYS Thruway. Last week I my LaserEcho diffuser was triggered while I was approaching the GW bridge tolls heading toward the city. It is my usual route, and I usually get steady K band there from the toll radar.

    This time I also got a laser warning, and sure enough, I witnessed several NJ troopers, and what appeared to be two civilians schooling these troopers to use hand held laser guns. It was about noon or so on a weekday. It was definitely a training excersice, because at that moment all the cars were below 30 MPH or so.

    So, I suspect we will see laser policing on the PIP, as well as other places--a growing concern for those of us who drive in a "spirited" manner. Luckily, laser diffusion is still legal in 48 states, and I intend to utilize my legal motorist rights to the fullest...

    Gus,
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  3. robiferretti

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    if they are standing outside the car and your moving "that fast" I call that a nice head start :)
     
  4. Greg G

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    Until they radio ahead to the "chase car" a 1/2 mile in front. Been there done that.
     
  5. HUTCH91TR

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    That's why it is best to run with a group!! They can only catch one...
     
  6. Greg G

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    Tell that to the group of 9 or 10 NSXs that got jacked on the Taconic coming home frm the East Coast Bull Run last Fall.

    I dont remember all the details, but the gist is a bunch of State-ies were laying low for our entire group, and the whole pack of NSXs were nabbed @ 85+. They actually blocked off the hiway.

    Does that sound correct Rob?
     
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  8. tifosi

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    these days with cells phones and signs posted about reporting agressive driving you have to be very careful, especially in a group. it only takes one motorist to call in that 10 ferraris are weaving in and out of traffic at a high rate of speed to get the staties on the case,
     
  9. technik1

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    Hey guys,

    The significance of this thread is the abruptness of the laser reading. We just don't have enough time to slow down. By the time we get the laser warning, it's over in less than a second.

    With the proper laser diffuser, the trooper will not get a reading, just frustration. So, legally, he's unable to issue a speeding ticket without documenting your speed. Needless to say, if you're flying by twice as fast as the rest of the traffic, you'll likely get pulled over for something. So we need to use our heads.

    Gus
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  10. technik1

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    Luckily, Rob, they were nowhere near the christmas party...


    if they are standing outside the car and your moving "that fast" I call that a nice head start :)[/QUOTE]
     
  11. msdesignltd

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    Just a note! this morning on my commute , south bound Palisades in the median in full view at @7:30...full rush hour between exit 7 and 6 was a grey unmarked crown victoria state trooper...with radar....the group I was in was all at 70+ jockying for lead..He got us all but only pulled over the accord behind me.Very rare to see radar in the rush hour direction...They must be under budget. It was instant on at close range...that is the only radar you still cant beat...any one using the Phantom Jammer, any Good???
     
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  13. HUTCH91TR

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    Sorry to hear about all those NSXs getting nabbed. The cops actually blocked off the highway entirely??? WTF??? I would have smashed into one of those donut eaters and sued them for blatantly obstructing a major highway without proper warning. And I know a good lawyer who'd take the case!!! It'd cost the Police a few bucks to defend their actions in court, and I would enjoy hasseling them!!!

    Also, don't cops have a monthly quota of tickets/fines that they have to issue? I know a few cops and they have told me that if they don't issue a certain # of tickets, then the captain starts to get on them to do so. Could be that most cops like to write up their individual quota of tickets early in the month so they can be more laxed later in the month. I don't know, just a theory... Either way it sucks!!! Speed on brothers!!!!
     
  14. robiferretti

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    ONly thing is if the officer is "speed certified" he doesn't need to clock you he can estimate your speed and give you a ticket based on that. That ticket will stand because of his certification his "estimation is as valid as if he clocked you
     
  15. DodgeViper01

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    YOu are right. They nailed the NSX's and most of the other cars. I got nailed on the 7 at 94. SUX!
     
  16. ghost

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    I've got the article on the bust. Am traveling right now, but will post when I am back.
     
  17. technik1

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    Hey Rob,

    In NY & NJ they do require evidence of speeding--it is the law. In fact, I had gotten pulled over on 9W for 72 in a 50. My radar never went off. When my court date arrived, the officer pulled me to the side and told me he had not yet had a chance to "set up", but I was obviously speeding. The judge dismissed the case--there was no hearing. I also have two attorney clients, they also confirmed that a registered reading as evidence is required. What their "speed certified" does allow them, is to determine which car is the speeder if there is more than one on the "zone of influence", as they put it...


     
  18. ghost

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    Interesting summary Gus -- thanks. Want to make sure I understand the logic of installing both a Valentine 1 and a laser diffuser. The way I understand it now is that the Valentine 1 will protect you against most non-laser police radars by giving you sufficient warning. However, while it can also detect a laser gun, by the time it does so, it will be too late as the laser would have already recorded you. This is where the laser diffuser comes in -- a diffuser will, for lack of a better word, diffuse the incoming laser, thereby protecting you from getting logged by the police. Is that the correct way to think of the differences between the two instruments Gus?

    Could you inform the uneducated as to the effectiveness of the laser diffuser that you guys use. For example, I know (based on my own experience) that the Valentine 1 has close to a 100% effectiveness rate. Is the laser diffuser also that good. How about false positive / false negative rates? Lastly, where does the diffuser get installed -- behind the license plate?

    I've got a V1 right, now, but am thinking about getting that installed in the mirror, and also getting a diffuser installed. Any input would be greatly appreciated.

    Thanks.
     
  19. technik1

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    Yes, Vic. As effective as the legendary V1 is, its' Achiles heel is that it only detects laser--for all intents and purposes, it tells you you've just got zapped! The LaserEcho unit is more accurate then the traditional K40 tacky plate frame unit, and it mounts stealthly behind any grille opening. Check www.lidatek.com for more info on this unit. As we had discussed for your GTB, your existing V1 unit will be mounted on the rear of the headliner, leather wrapped. It only needs a proper laser diffuser to complete the system...



     
  20. ghost

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    Lovely. Thanks Gus. Won't take it personally that you keep calling me Vic. ;)
     
  21. technik1

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    Sorry. It's Vikram, yes?

     
  22. ghost

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    Yes. But I was making reference to the "c" instead of the "k" in Vik. No biggie Gus -- all in good fun. BTW, if it continues to seem like it's gonna rain, we're obviously gonna have to cancel our wash appointment.
     
  23. technik1

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    Gotcha, Vik. It will likely pour, so we'll see. You may have to open that bottle after all, and drink to its' health!

    Yes. But I was making reference to the "c" instead of the "k" in Vik. No biggie Gus -- all in good fun. BTW, if it continues to seem like it's gonna rain, we're obviously gonna have to cancel our wash appointment.[/QUOTE]
     
  24. technik1

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    Also, Noahh is supposed to stop by the shop when he's back from Boston. Maybe you guys can stop by together...just a thought.

    Gotcha, Vik. It will likely pour, so we'll see. You may have to open that bottle after all, and drink to its' health!

    Yes. But I was making reference to the "c" instead of the "k" in Vik. No biggie Gus -- all in good fun. BTW, if it continues to seem like it's gonna rain, we're obviously gonna have to cancel our wash appointment.[/QUOTE][/QUOTE]
     
  25. noahlh

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    I'm picking the car up on Monday now, and Vik and I were thinking of going for a "holy-crap-we-just-got-our-new-fcars!!!" drive on Tues if the weather is nice.

    After that, I was thinking of dropping her off for touch-ups / paint protection .... is Tuesday afternoon good?

    --Noah
     
  26. technik1

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    Tuesday is fine, Noah. See you then!
    Gus

    I'm picking the car up on Monday now, and Vik and I were thinking of going for a "holy-crap-we-just-got-our-new-fcars!!!" drive on Tues if the weather is nice.

    After that, I was thinking of dropping her off for touch-ups / paint protection .... is Tuesday afternoon good?

    --Noah[/QUOTE]
     

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