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Big service: what would you change preemptively?

Discussion in 'Boxers/TR/M' started by alex_kay, May 12, 2024.

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  1. alex_kay

    alex_kay Karting

    Apr 7, 2024
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    Hi guys,
    I have a big service coming up sometime next year. I want to start preparing however.
    Which things would you change preemptively while the engine is out - other than the things that get done normally on a big service?

    I currently have on my list:
    - Maybe clutch
    - Injectors
    - Fuel pumps

    What else?
    Would you do fuel lines?

    Best
     
  2. turbo-joe

    turbo-joe F1 Veteran

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    when those are brass test them and see if ok, if iron then change


    test how much AMP they need and if not too much and makes no noise no need to change. also those you can change with the engine in the car

    so here what I change when the engine is out:
    all seals ( camshafts, cranshaft )
    replace the water and oil hoses with silicone hoses
    then of course the timing belts with tensioner bearings and of course the other V-belts
    I think I have not to mention the valve cover gaskets when adjusting the valve clearance

    think over the diff
     
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  3. alex_kay

    alex_kay Karting

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    Thank you very much. That helps :)

    What do you mean with the last sentence ("think over the diff")?
     
  4. Rifledriver

    Rifledriver Three Time F1 World Champ

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    All the rubber fuel and vapor hoses on the tanks and the fuel return hoses to the engine. Get a look at the fuel filler hoses too. The coolant hoses all over the firewall connecting all the pipes and radiators and the coolant hoses at top front of engine. If it is a version with air injection I replace the check valves. Like Joe said, consider the differential. Replace the shifter bushing and the shift shaft seal.
     
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  5. alex_kay

    alex_kay Karting

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    Thank you very much :) that helps. Will put it on my list
     
  6. turbo-joe

    turbo-joe F1 Veteran

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    since long time some other members and also me say:

    it is not a question of IF the diff housing will break, it is only a question of WHEN

    please use the search function and you will find a lot of info about those broken diffs
     
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  7. EDoug

    EDoug Formula Junior

    Apr 19, 2005
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    Alex, I don't know how you define "big service" or if you are doing this work yourself. A few additional service/replacement items come to mind, some of which are not engine-out dependent. However, doing so during engine-out could make you or your mechanic happier. EDoug

    1) The front wheel bearings are not sealed and the grease evaporates away.
    2) Heater inlet and return hoses routed through the tunnel. (Not sure if Brian was including those above or not.)
    3) AC control vacuum line routed through the small tunnel channel from the vacuum reservoir.
    4) Brake booster vacuum hose routed through the rocker panel area.
    5) Brake caliper hoses

    QUOTE: "What do you mean with the last sentence ("think over the diff")?" As an input, for owners that have had their TR from new or essentially new and have NEVER subjected their car to abuse such as hole-shots, burnouts and the like, the confidence level of diff integrity will be higher than most. At least that is how I have always treated my 1986 Testarossa and view near-term diff integrity.
     
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  8. alex_kay

    alex_kay Karting

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    Thank you very much. I have just put all that on my list. Will be done by a mechanic, not by me :)
     
  9. alex_kay

    alex_kay Karting

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    I tried searching the forum. But can someone explain it to me as a dummy in those things?
    I read somewhere that some replace the diff for the one off the 512TR.
    Is the whole diff a problem or just the housing?
    What would happen if it failed? Can I have the repair done then? Or will a broken housing or broken diff destroy even more? And is it another engine out service?

    What new parts should be used? What parts numbers?

    Please apologioze my many questions. I am trying to learn :) I have already learned a lot about the Testarossa and intend to keep the car a long time
     
  10. Rifledriver

    Rifledriver Three Time F1 World Champ

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    The differential carrier had a flawed construction technique and they were weak. Very late in 512 production they were fixed. Paul Newman here sells a good copy of the no longer available part. If he has none available Modena Engineering in Australia make another choice.

    If you wait for it to break it can destroy the ring and pinion, it will destroy the left side housing and possibly the spider and side gears.
     
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  11. Steve Magnusson

    Steve Magnusson Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Try a search using "diff carrier" in this Boxers/TR/M section -- you'll only get 194 prior threads to read with many gruesome pictures;). It's a weld in the stock 2-piece diff carrier that can fatigue fracture and break, but when it does, many other parts can be damaged. The aftermarket replacement diff carrier is a 1-piece billet part with no weld.
     
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  12. alex_kay

    alex_kay Karting

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    @Rifledriver and @Steve Magnusson
    Thank you very much. I have contacted Newman here


    Has anyone else any other recommendations of parts that should definitely be changed on the next engine out service? :)
     
  13. Steve Magnusson

    Steve Magnusson Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Seems a minor thing, but make sure that the acc cable gets well re-lubricated from the engine end -- very difficult to do with the engine in the car.
     
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  14. EDoug

    EDoug Formula Junior

    Apr 19, 2005
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    Alex, a couple more items:

    1) Starter solenoid problems: Brian made recommendations to use a 1/4 inch spade connector to fix the weak feed-thru connection for this heavy solenoid load in the large C12 (?) connector under the coolant expansion tank. Many choose to add a relay instead, but Brian's simple addition of a spade connector seems to address the problem. I chose to parallel the original connection with the spade connector to be proactive. Tons of stuff on this to search here.

    2) Look at your brake fluid reservoir and it's hose that feeds the supply to the adjacent clutch master cylinder. Feel this supply hose to see if it feels wet or if it has turned to a tan color. If either, the hose needs replacing, or maybe just do it.

    EDoug
     
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  15. alex_kay

    alex_kay Karting

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    Thank you. I have put it on the growing list :)
     

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