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    #26 spiderseeker, Mar 11, 2009
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    ** On the previous page of this thread, Birdman did post something, just click on his name and send him a private message. If he's not making them anymore(I doubt it), you can make your own(I did), the fuseholders are available from NAPA stores. It cost me just as much as Birdman charges plus a couple hours of my time to assemble them. It's much more cost effective to just buy them from Birdman if possible.(He does an excellent job and they look professionally made)
     
  2. M.James

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    Yes, his fuseblocks are still available - he's on-assignment to Antarctica this week, he should be back soon.
     
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    #28 Newman, Mar 11, 2009
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    Agreed especially if its just a simple glass type fuse block where money is an issue. If penny pinching isnt in mind then Sam's fuse blocks are the ticket. Current fuse technology coupled with a design that accepts the fuse covers like OEM cant be beat. I put a set in my 308 and boxer. For me, being able to reuse the OEM fuse block covers was a selling feature, first rate in every way.
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    Where would one get those?
     
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    If you don't mind would you please PM me as well. Thanks
     
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    Me too if you would be so kind?
     
  8. AndyMc308

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    Hi, sorry this is so long after the last post, but I was about to buy the Birdman fuseboxes, but read this about there being another option which can keep the original covers (which look so nice). Where can I get "Sam's fuse blocks" from (delivered to the UK)?

    Thanks,
     
  9. Verell

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    To the best of my knowledge Sam only made a prototype run of his fuse blocks that quickly sold out. I don't think he's made another run.

    They are quite pricey, around $300 IIRC.
     
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    I can't speak to the quality of Sam's fuseblocks - but Birdman's are absolutely FANTASTIC... they are superb quality and reasonably priced (and Birdman is a pleasure to deal with and offers GREAT service and support!!!)
     
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    Has anyone had any problems replacing the stock 8 amp fuses with (I assume) 10 amp? I have not been able to locate anything other than 5, 10, 15, 20, or 25 amp fuses for this conversion, and am a little hesitant to run more current than stock through 30-year-old circuits. Comments or ideas?
     
  12. AndyMc308

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    Oh, OK thank you. Spade-type fuses and the original covers would have been nice, but function is most important so if the Sam ones are no longer available I'm sure the Birdman ones will be fine - I see that they get great reports.

    My original fuse block looks like the one on the Birdman photo - with melted terminals - and my electric windows no longer work at all!
     
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    Good day all,

    Indeed, Verell is mostly correct in that I only made a limited of my blocks, however, they were not prototypes but production devices. Sadly work duties keep me way too busy to do another run. Birdman's blocks are indeed well made and will certainly work well!

    Cheers,

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    Good day Cameron,

    I would not use a larger fuse, as your wiring protection will be reduced proportionately. Remember that the fuse itself does not instantly let go when the rated current is reached... Consequently, you could have your circuit operate at the 10A level for several hours or more before the fuse let's go... Would an extra 2A cause issues? Perhaps, as it is a dependent upon the wiring (size, age, solid, stranded, etc), connections, etc. Personally, I would keep searching and find the rated fuse size... There is too much to risk.

    Cheers,

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    You could always try dropping it down and seeing if a 5 amp blows.
     
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    #41 Jet Lag, Sep 14, 2009
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    Agreed... I'm not a super mechanic, but I know better than to put higher rated fuses in anything (I had an electrical fire on my boat thanks to previous owner not understanding that a fuse should give before a wire turns red hot).

    I didn't think I had a problem that required replacing the fuse bus, but I thought it not a bad idea for insurance; and I wanted to support Birdman for all his contributions on this board. Since I put Birdman's fuse bus in: my speedometer works ALL THE TIME, my windows go up and down twice as fast, and I can actually see the instrument lights at night.

    I'll admit that the newer-fuse bus and keeping the covers would be nice, but I just scanned, labeled and taped the fuse information to the main cover (like the solenoid lay out), and enjoy a refreshed electrical system.

    Thanks again Birdman
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    Sam, if you could find the time I would greatly appreciate it if you could tell me where you sourced the fuse blocks.... and the part #'s would be fantastic also.
    Thanks in advance, Walt
     
  18. Birdman

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    Guys, I have had no problem finding 8 Amps. Napa has them. It's the 16's I can't find, so I use 15 and they are fine. In truth, I seriously doubt there is anything magical in Ferrari's choice of 8 amps--and a 10 would be fine. I'm not even sure that they are that precisely manufactured. (Does an 8 amp fuse blow when you draw exactly 8 amps?)

    Would I put a 20 where an 8 should go? Of course not. A 10? Probably fine. Of course using a smaller value will never hurt anything, except it may blow when it shouldn't.

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  19. samsaprunoff

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    Good day Kevin,

    In all of my testing, I found that the Ferrari circuits drew approximately 1/2 the rated fuse size in normal operation. Consequently I think that the 5A would be a bit too low. However, one can only try.

    Cheers,

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    #45 samsaprunoff, Sep 14, 2009
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    Good day Walt,

    The entire assembly was designed and manufactured by me and was not something I procured. Well, actually to be more precise, the block bases (my design) were CNC milled by the machine shop, the printed circuit boards (my design) were fabbed by a PCB house, and the PCBs were automated assembled by a contract assembly house. Even with all this automation, I still spent additional time hand-reflowing (solder) the connectors, tin-plating the copper bus bars, and creating the cover retention pins. There was a lot of work to create these blocks.

    Cheers,

    Sam
     
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    I just wanted to give a two thumbs up for Birdman's fuse blocks. Just installed them this weekend in my '77 308. The only issue I was hoping the fuse blocks might "fix" was a non working clock. I figured it was a long shot but thought replacing the fuse blocks was just a good idea anyway. Guess what, I replaced the fuse block and now the clock works! Great upgrade and an easy project. Thanks Jonathan!
     
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    I had to go "One size UP" on all fuses. Watch everything like a hawk and so far no issues .......
     

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