Thank you Francis. Well, here one more colour image with P538 and Duke d'Aosta http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/4200/bizzap53803.jpg
Giotto told me 5 cars when I interviewed him back in 2009... but we can imagine his memory is tricky !!!
I believe you, but thats funny because in 2006-7 he was building 2-4 of them, but he may not call these new ones P538's. I think he called them Grifo's. Was he nice to you? http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=166418&page=20 http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=166418&page=21
^^ i think i read somewhere this particular car had very poor fit & finish? .....never have heard anything further on production of it though
I'm far enough along in the build process that your right .... I'm moving my build to another thread... since it no longer contains one ounce of Italian in it... It is now 100% American Muscle... built and engineered by me... Sorry to have intruded... now I'll go away... again.... http://www.flickr.com/photos/13214747@N07/sets/72157625904232799/ Image Unavailable, Please Login
Actually it's the other way around... Kutner bought the remains to this chassis, crashed in the So. Calif mountains in the late 70's, returned it to Italy and was rebodied by Diamonte... The car had been taken apart and repaired or replaced with one of the Kutner bodies, but never completed except the chassis damages. I have the damaged rear De Dion set-up that was part of what was left, as well as windows, seats, dash, gauges,door handles, lights,and two truckloads of hinges,hood and trunk latches uprights ect.... I just wanted a modern drivetrain I could drive everyday... so I've gone a different direction than a restoration... but beyond that to just go ahead and make it what I want.. to be driven. Photos attatched from an earlier owner I tracked down.... FYI Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
Yes he welcome me and my father in law at his appartment and we've spoken friendly for quite an hour !
The Kutner car that you mention is well known chassis 247, are you saying the red car in your pictures is 247? Here is the chassis after the crash Image Unavailable, Please Login
The car my parts came from never was shown with wires...(wheels) I'll check through some of the interior pieces and panels for grease pencil or other markings... I never looked at them but I saw that some types of cars had vin #'s on interior panels and such. The owner that I got a few pictures from didn't recall or know the vin. (nearly 40 and 30+ years ago either had last seen the car...) He was glad he even had a few photos... That's what I know.. Yeah and mine definitely had a different shape to the rear wheel openings..than the pictures I got from him, I beleived it was a replica, but the lineage from the two owners led to these remnants I have...? Any how... I cut it up and made a buck for molds out of it... Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
The rims really have nothing to do with the car, what probably happens is this, Kutner would put on a worn out set of wires so the car would roll and keep the Campagnolo mags, or the mags got toasted in the crash. You are correct most all Bizzarrini's had grease markings on the back sides of panels, so that is a good check. Next the red car you show is very unique. It is unlike any other bizzarrini', and you have more than one picture proving this. The front bumper wraps all the way around the car. I do not believe the front or back bumpers were made by Bizzarrini. I believe the pictures of the car you are showing belonged to or had some relationship to Skip Hinojos AKA Mr Glass he had molds made of a Bizzarrini and used to advertise building Biz Copies, but his web site has since closed down. Here are a few pictures from the site. You can see the same bumpers and trim that your pictures show. I have a guess at what number the red car is, but it is not 247. I will wait and see if you can find ant grease pen markings before I guess Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
