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  1. Newman

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    http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Ferrari-BBi512-Boxer-1983-BBi512-Boxer_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ6212QQihZ003QQitemZ130132864876QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW

    I asked the seller what the little chrome do-hickeys are on the fenders as well as the chassis number........waiting.....looks pretty good otherwise. The tires look goofy, a few DOT items under the boot not to mention the marker lamps. Radio is difficult to see but correct bezzel and I guess odometer is in miles? Maybe? Speedo is in miles but I guess the ODO could still be KMS.
     
  2. MS250

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    Paul,
    Is this common ? I have heard this before, and is it only on boxers ?

    Thanks.
     
  3. Newman

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    Yes, on converted cars for US consumption. There was an overlay for the speedo to read Miles and Kms in the form of a sticker but the odometer was never modified to read KMS.

    Just noticed the 5 band EQ, my guess is its an 82 not 83, it sure aint an 80, 81 or 84.
     
  4. Murph

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    Badges. The one on the driver's side is a Nurburgring badge. ala James Dean's 550 Spyder
     
  5. Murph

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    Could be an 83. My 83 has the 5 band.
     
  6. Newman

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    #44459, correct Murph its an 83 black on black on my list of numbers.
     
  7. msdesignltd

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    Talk about rear tire Gap!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
  8. Newman

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    Ive exchanged emails with the seller, seems straight forward, open but has been screwed around in the past so he's a little hesitant to deal with dealers or brokers. I suggested he try his luck here, he also has a carbed 400A soon to be for sale.
     
  9. JTR

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    So it looks like a pretty decent car, with a few issues.
    The owner’s description of the car seems to be refreshingly honest. No mention of a BAR sticker, so I guess it won’t be going to a California buyer.
    32,000 Km does = 19,000 miles.
    With a BIN price of 95K, after replacing the dash leather, major service, new correct tires, paint work for the scratch, and no other big surprises, you’d have a nice car for what, 110K?
    John
     
  10. AHudson

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    I agree about the honest description; I audibly sighed while reading it.

    Sorry that the home-made cure on the dash (patent pending) won't work at the windshield, so yeah, that's more than a little weekend project. I have heard quotes in the 2grand range here, but this could go up and down according to those who've actually had it done. My figure is hearsay.

    The price and depth of a major here always sparks a major debate, so everyone just "pick a number" and go with that one.

    Tires are $400 each (glad we agree!) unless you go insane and must have new wheels.

    Paint work is I reckon (southern word meaning: "I think but am not positive") in the grand range JUST TO GET IT aesthetically to 'match' the remaining quality of the 'original' pain on the car. (A cool benefit to me.) Certainly, sky's the limit on this one, but I like preserving what's there IF worth doing so. To each his own.

    A budget of $10-15k is reasonable. $15-20k is getting out there. So I think you're right in line.
     
  11. GaryReed

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    Ditto- I would guess in the $20K+ range to put the car in order.

    Since it's last major service was 8 years ago, there may be a number of other things needed, besides the usual timing belts, etc..

    The six shocks will probably need to be replaced or rebuilt, clutch, brake hoses, new fuel injectors, etc. etc..
     
  12. samsaprunoff

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    Good day Adams,

    The repair of the dash piece next the windshield is not too complicated. One has to remove the (formal) dash, gauges, trim pieces, etc. It took me about 1-2 hours to get the dash-piece out and about 1-2 hours to replace it... and this was my first time . The piece is easily replaced and in my case I had an upholstery shop replace it with new soft leather that was a pretty close match to other trim/dash pieces for $300 CAN. Perhaps the $2K you heard was for the entire dash?

    Cheers,

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  13. BigTex

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    Modern profile tires create the wheel well gap....

    No Bids.....

    Methinks the Boxer's time is not yet NOW.........he does seem to have too much attiude to be on FleaBay...LOL!
     
  14. MS250

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    +1, i think 20k and over...maybe kissing 30 pending , and any little surprises which are never ever discussed but take alot of labor to make right. Like a/c, ball joints, never really know about a clutch as well....so 30 to feel real safe....if you come in at under, its all gravy.
     
  15. LightGuy

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    I passed on the car.
    Its a good driver needing paint in 2 or 3 spots. Exhaust will need new catalytic converters.
    Needs major.
    Radio AM/FM not working.
    Compression good.
     
  16. LightGuy

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    This is a two way street.
     
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    Hey Tex, Methinks it might just be a momentary lull, allowing You one last chance to jump on the wagon! :D

    My thought’s were about 15K to put it right.
    7k for belt service. Belts, tensioners, water pump, adjust valves. Fluids change.
    2k to repair the dash.
    2000 for tires.
    1000 for paint.
    And 3k for miscellaneous. This could cover new shocks, or a clutch, or coolant hoses, injectors and other minor whatever’s.
    It’s not a low mileage queen, but at 19,000 miles, not high mileage either.
    If it doesn’t sell as is, eventually a dealer will end up with it, take care of the issues, and it’ll be back on E-bay for 120K or more.
    John
     
  18. BigTex

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    Yea, I could just jump into and enjoy driving, on bad paint and shocks ....who cares????

    Those goofy badges would have to go....where's my screwdriver??

    No, the Ferrari screwdriver from the tool kit..

    *bending shank as pry bar*

    Newman say he's got a few 'sleepers' north of the border......I'm never gonna get one, a day late and a dollar short, that's me! :D

    You don't need money to be happy, my ex-wife made me living proof of that........
     
  19. BigTex

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    Did Geno Berns in Chicago hook up with RobertinArgyle on the $125K carbed one?

    I should get some 'good karma' points for that, if so........

    msgsobe was looking at that one, before he shopped with Steve Mamman.
     
  20. LightGuy

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    Robert still has his as far as I know.

    Big TEX; Do it now.
    We'll form our own support group.
     
  21. Newman

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    Keep the fact Im a mechanic out of the equation here. $20K to $30K is foolishness to bring a nice car up to some sky high expectation that no owner would ever keep at that level. So why do many here think that any ferrari for sale should be able to pass the white glove test and come with a pile of trophies just to meet up to their expectations or it aint good enough? With that mentality, no used ferrari unless kept in a bubble then serviced the day before its sold to the next buyer will be suitable. My boxer runs great, doesnt leak, has a few chips and scratches from use but has dry cracks on the surfaces of the bushings (which is normal by the way) and the service was done in the end of 05. Would mine be labled a car that needs $20K to make it right? I bet it would which is silly because its a fantastic car and in reality it can be hopped into and driven now without spending $20K. I think too many people that arent "in the know" get sucked into the myth that a ferrari needs to have everything replaced and they over-pay because they dont know any better. Its a shame.
     
  22. MS250

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    I know you and i are at odds with this, and i see your point....but it all depends on choice....some people want the fcars to run just as good as the day it came off the lot without issues.

    Heres the example...you can buy a decent home in 2 bedroom bungalow in toronto for 400K....but some people would refuse to cook in a kitchen that was 20 yrs old, the stove and fridge still work...but its not acceptable to them. The bathroom might as well be 20 years old as well and functional, but someone might not want a 20 yr old tub, but rather renovate and put in a new hot tub. So this 400k home someone may have spent 100K to put granite as a counter top....did they need to do this ? maybe not...regardless, if they do and then wish to sell the home for 500k, there maybe a buyer for it...there maybe others that say why ? Its all a matter of taste. As for your boxer, maybe it does need 20k, it all depends on what people perceive and wish to do with there own money. You may ask, well why not just buy a new home, maybe the area they prefer does not have new homes for sale, just like there are no more new boxers for sale

    So, if someone has the choice and decides to add carbon fibre to a boxer and can afford too, then more power to them....the only person thats foolish to me Paul, is people that dont do what they want to do. I think for you to say to someone that they are foolish is incorrect, just like i think its very incorrect for someone to say you working on your own car if foolish...people should make there own business when it comes to what people should or should not do.

    just my .2cents
     
  23. MS250

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    Oh yeah...ps....if this car sells for 90k, and you add 30 to make it perfect (maybe alitlle high)..you still have 120 into it...i doubt anyone would sell a perfect running boxer for less than 150...i know i wouldnt.

    I also know i wouldnt sell a full restored 308 carb car for less than 6 figures. ;)
     
  24. Newman

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    Your analogy misses the mark since we arent talking about adding upgraded parts to a ferrari or a kitchen, just how good or close to original is it and what does it need to be a good car? As for having a 25 year old ferrari with no issues is impossible even after a restoration due to technology and engineering. Your TR will continue to have problems and fall apart regardless of how much you maintain it, its expected on any car so why are ferraris held to such a high standard? Ferraris are s h i t e boxes that look nice and sound nice but have a great number of flaws so never expect a perfect one. I still say people over inflate what they think a car needs and somehow expect a seller to bend to satisfy them and give them a cushion "just in case" - WAKE UP it aint gonna happen!
     
  25. J.P.Sarti

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    I think its great BB owners are willing to put big bux in these cars, though parts are getting rare and expensive now. As a whole it will continue to bring prices of these cars up further vs 308s that people are hesistant to fix properly due to low values then let them go and as a group are getting ratty now bringing down prices further
     

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