BMW Sauber accept decision to disqualify Kubica Due to excessive rain tyre wear

honestly, I think the reason that BMW accepted the DQ was they are trying to hide somehting else, and blame it on something that sounds logical...

but that is purely speculation, and conspiracy.... afterall, a single point is pretty important even...

 

Trying to hide something else like? and there is definetly something about the DQ and FIA trying to shrink the gap between Alonso and MS in points.

 

C'mon guys. If the FIA was trying to shrink the gap they would have penalized Alonzo for his "dangerous driving" with the RBR friday driver (Dornbaush sp) and left Michael get away with or given a lesser penalty for the "passing under yellow/red". For that matter, they would NOT have penalized MS in Monaco - when the point spread was even greater. The stewards are doing their job - a very tough one.

The gap will get closer on its own. Bridgestone has levelled the playing field on tires. Ferrari has always had great reliability - as has Renault. However, I see that as Ferrari catches up Renault will begin to push their limits and may have mechanical issues...

I am excited about the remaining 5 races. Only 10 points separating the combatants. It should be interesting...

 

So was Michael's car ever weighed to give him the point? He had pretty excessive wear, too.

 

I'd buy that excuse--sounds good to me!

 

FROM Formula1.com
"67) No car may take part in the Event until it has been passed by the scrutineers.
68) The scrutineers may:
a) check the eligibility of a car or of a competitor at any time during an Event"

also
"7) if a car stops on the circuit and the driver leaves the car, he must go to the FIA garage immediately on his return to the pit lane in order for his weight to be established.
b) After the race every classified car will be weighed. If a driver wishes to leave his car before it is weighed he must ask the technical delegate to weigh him in order that this weight may be added to that of the car.
c) The relevant car may be excluded should its weight be less than that specified in Article 4.1 of the Technical Regulations when weighed under a) or b) above, save where the deficiency in weight results from the accidental loss of a component of the car."

the case in question ... falls into a grey area..... but surprisingly enough .... none of the other teams (renault) have made a fuss about it. so i'm assuming the ferrari is in the clear.

 

I'd venture that they weigh every car after the race as those guidelines specify, with the exception of those that are wrecked beyond weighing (ie, wheels and suspension all over the circuit, etc.). That is the norm for all open-wheel series from karting on up.

All the teams have scales in their garages. Presumably they rolled the Ferrari in and weighed it with an FIA official watching.

edit, or they just weighed MS and then brought the car to whatever central scales they use later on when the crowds are gone, etc.

 

In Brazil 2003, Alonso collected six points for third after spreading his car all over the track (causing the race to be red-flagged).

And he was in medical treatment during the podium ceremony. So he didn't exactly go straight to weigh-in either. (Although it says "on his return to pit lane", and I'm not sure he ever got back there (till 2004).)

So Renault/Alonso would be the last to start nit-picking on that score.

 

When Schumacher retired in the race, he had no idea that Kubica would be DQ'd. So the point he received after the fact was not planned at the time. He probably left the track thinking the day was a wash.

For the 100th time, Kubica was DQ'd because he was about 4 pounds under the required weight. BMW gave the reason as being the tires, not the stewards, but is that the real reason the car was underweight? Probably, maybe, but we will never know, and at this point it does not matter. HE WAS NOT DQ'D BECAUSE OF TIRE WEAR!! HE WAS DQ'D BECAUSE THE CAR WAS UNDERWEIGHT, TRUE REASON UNKNOWN.

And if there was a chance that Schumacher's car was underweight because of his tires, I would bet the Flavio would be right there with a protest. And possibly the reason the no other team protested, is because the entire tire excuse may be just that, an excuse (re: BS). The BMW could have been underweight for other reasons.

 

Thank you.

 

4.4 lbs over 4 tires is not much. 1.1 lbs lost per tire. The average consumer car tire weighs over 20lbs. F1 tires are wider and pretty tall, too. It wouldn't be surprising if that was the reason.

Ron and I got into a bit of an argument about it because I thought the stewards said that was the reason, now I know what he meant. I probably read it the way I wanted to, ha!

 

You guys have too much time on your hands (and so do I).

If they are cutting weight so close as to the TIRES on the car being the difference between making weight or not post-race, then they are nuts.
For that matter, maybe the fuel guy was short a gallon on a refuel stop (7 lbs/gallon). Maybe Kubica is 4.4 lbs lighter than the previous driver ??

I find in incredibly ludricous they are blaming this on rain tires, what would they have done if this was a dry, 98 degree race ? Add lead weight as ballast ?

I'm not buying the tire baloney, I'm figuring someone forgot to do their setup homework. Or part of it.

 

Isn't the final weigh-in done without fuel? You'd be surprised at how close these guys cut it. Some are over the minimum by less than a pound.

 

+1

 

Sorry, I didn't mean it be an argument, I am sure it was just semantics.

 

its true ... thats one of the reasons you will never see an f1 driver doing a burnout/donut after the race..they would lose tire weight. (also i'm sure there would be some penalty if they did that)

..... also if you notice ....after finishing ....they drive off the racing line to pick up marbles.... to add to their weight.

im not saying that i completely believe the tire weight excuse proposed by bmw .... but i do know that tire weight is a relavant factor.

 

Correct. Fuel is not counted towards the car making minimum weight. Remember BAR's problems from last year.