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Boeing wins T-X Trainer program to replace T-38 jets

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  1. toggie

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    Boeing wins the competition against Lockheed to build the next-generation Jet Trainer aircraft.

    Certainly a great looking jet.
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    https://www.cnbc.com/2018/09/27/boeing-wins-9point2-billion-to-build-air-forces-next-trainer-aircraft.html

    Boeing wins $9.2 billion to build Air Force's next trainer aircraft
    • The U.S. Air Force selects Boeing to build approximately 351 training aircraft, a long-awaited Pentagon contract worth $9.2 billion.
    • Dubbed as one of the largest aircraft competitions, Lockheed Martin was also in the running for the lucrative contract.
    • The multi-billion dollar contract comes as the Air Force moves to modernize its fleet of bombers, fighters, tankers as well as nuclear intercontinental ballistic missiles.
    WASHINGTON — The U.S. Air Force has selected Boeing to build its next training aircraft, a long-awaited Pentagon contract worth $9.2 billion.

    Boeing, which partnered with Swedish aerospace firm Saab, was awarded an initial $813 million for engineering and manufacturing development by the Air Force on Thursday. The service currently plans to buy 351 jets with full operational capability by 2034. The original service cost estimate was $19.7 billion, according to the award announcement.

    Boeing's trainer aircraft will replace the Air Force's aging T-38 trainers that have been in the U.S. military's portfolio since the 1960s.


    The multi-billion dollar contract comes as the Air Force moves to modernize its fleet of bombers, fighters, tankers as well as nuclear intercontinental ballistic missiles.

    "It is not clear that the Air Force will have sufficient funding to support all of these different aircraft programs at the same time," Todd Harrison, a senior fellow and director of the defense budget analysis at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, told CNBC prior to the contract announcement.

    "The budget situation is even more complicated now that the Air Force has announced that it wants to grow in size by nearly 25 percent," he added.

    Lockheed Martin was also in the running for the lucrative contract. It has been dubbed as one of the largest aircraft competitions.

    Lockheed Martin partnered with Korea Aerospace Industries, or KAI, to offer the T-50A jet for the U.S. Air Force's trainer competition. The plane is a version of KAI's T-50, which is used in South Korea as well as several other U.S. partner nations. In June, revelations that the South Korean aviation firm paid President Donald Trump's personal lawyer, Michael Cohen emerged.

    KAI paid $150,000 to Cohen's company, Essential Consultants, for "legal consulting concerning accounting standards on production costs," a KAI representative told Reuters. Cohen's work with KAI lasted less than six months and ended in November.

    KAI did not respond to multiple requests for comment from CNBC.

    When asked if KAI's dealings with Cohen or a corruption investigation involving the Korean firm's leadership would impact the U.S. Air Force's selection, Lt. Gen. Arnold Bunch said in June that the service was "letting the contract process play out."

    "We are working through all the legal and letting them do all that work. We'll just let that process play through the source selection," Bunch, the Air Force's top acquisition officer, told reporters at the time.

    Lockheed Martin, the Pentagon's top weapons supplier, told CNBC that nothing had changed with their bid for the Air Force's trainer award.

    "We had no knowledge of a business relationship between Korea Aerospace Industries and Mr. Cohen, and are not aware of any connection that it may have to the U.S. Air Force Advanced Pilot Training competition," Lockheed told CNBC in a previous statement.
     
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    That is great. Was not too fond of the warmed over trainers from the other competitors. Looks like it will probably make a pretty good lightweight fighter in the future, too.
     
  3. JLF

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    Wow finally after all these years. Looks like an f-18 from the cockpit back.
     
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    Perfect too for Dissimilar Air Combat Training (DACT).

    Or do they still use that description?
     
  5. Bob Parks

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    What happened to the PT-13 Stearman? Seemed like a pretty good trainer to me.
     
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    Biplanes. How can you not love them? :)
     
  7. tazandjan

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    Bob- It was getting to where the T-38 was too close to a Stearman and not close enough to an F-35 or F-22.
     
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  8. Tcar

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    Boeing is on a huge roll:

    1 T-X with SAAB (not Saab), SAAB will build a plant in the US...

    2 MH-139 'Huey' replacement chopper with Leonardo (basically a Westwind, I think).

    3 MQ-25 Navy Drone Tanker... may eventually evolve into more types...

    All within a few weeks.


    So I'm wondering, this, and most of the other entries are conglomerates of US and Foreign companies... a trend? (Leonardo, S. Korea, BAE... etc.
     
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    Good news is the T-X should keep the factory in St Louis going for quite a while even after the F-15 and F/A-18 are phased out.
     
  10. Tcar

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    Nee McDonnell-Douglas... :)
     
  11. F1tommy

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    They used to have a much higher minimum built in America requirement. Hope Sweden doesn't get invaded by the Russian's someday as we won't have parts for out trainers...
     
  12. Tcar

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    SAAB is building a plant in the US as part of the contract.
     
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