I am currently in the market for an F430. I am looking for Grey/silver/gun metal ext and a Black int with red stiching, carpet etc. HAS to be a 6 Speed. If you find her please let me know! My question is this: If you look at Fabspeeds website they make some pretty bold claims in the bolt-on performance dept. Headers = +51HP @ $3,595.00 OR $70 per BHP thats seems Cheap per HP and like a lot of easy power. You take that plus the Cats, Muffler and Air boxes and according to their website you would be well north of 500HP. That is MUCH cheaper and easier then bolting on a Novtic supercharger for twice the cost and half again as much power. My question is I want to (over time with the car) "add" HP. Without going crazy with Turbos', superchargers etc... What is a reasonable way of going about adding a little umpf to your ride?
Eliminating the cats/pre-cat plus adding a free flow exhaust is always good. There are more economical choices that sound awesome. Their chip is outrageous for the amount of HP gain. As I understand, the factory header are good so there is no need for aftermarket.
Get one first and drive it a while. If you need more power after that, then explore your options. I just bought one. I definitely don't need any more HP at the moment. I like it just the way it is. Also I think you will void any remaining warranty as well. +1 on the 6 speed MT. Very happy I went with one.
agreed with carnut. Do you really think that a small boutique shop can wring that much more out of a ferrari power plant than the manufacture can? If they are removing EPA restrictions that the factory was required to put in, then I can see some incremental gains. But even then I doubt it would be 10%. Modern manufactures are so effecient now, its really tough to make monster gains. ECU tuning can shift power bands and optimize timing curves based on your local octane and your specific car's knock threshold, that's it. If you think you are going to be a power junkie, this may not be a popular opinion here, but buy a Lamborgini G and twin turbo it.
First thank you for all your response's and thought's. When I saw these claimed HP gains I near fell over laughing! If Ferrari could make these small changes and get these numbers they would! I plan on driving the car for a few months, and then over time add a little but of HP after getting a better feel for the car. I would love to have a +500HP out of the pony. I know its just a number....but its a good one! HAHA I understand Tubi seems to be the fan fav around here. I do want CF airboxes (Yes I understand I they are all for looks and not HP) question is what else? Lastly, what about an air ride/ nose lifting unit thingy~ Where do I get that done? Does it effect handling? How much? etc I live in NorCal were there are some steep driveway's!
First thank you for all your response's and thought's. When I saw these claimed HP gains I near fell over laughing! If Ferrari could make these small changes and get these numbers they would! I plan on driving the car for a few months, and then over time add a little but of HP after getting a better feel for the car. I would love to have a +500HP out of the pony. I know its just a number....but its a good one! HAHA I understand Tubi seems to be the fan fav around here. I do want CF airboxes (Yes I understand I they are all for looks and not HP) question is what else? Lastly, what about an air ride/ nose lifting unit thingy~ Where do I get that done? Does it effect handling? How much? etc I live in NorCal were there are some steep driveway's!
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No, Tubi is not the fan favorite. Its what most people associate with Ferrari. There are far superior exhaust system for less. X-ost ( PAP dyno'd 30hp gain with this exhaust and test pipes) or Quicksilver or Nouvalari Eng.
I actually made 18.8HP at the rear wheels with a bolt on XOST. I didnt fit test pipes either. Here is the link for those interested. http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=132911&page=4
I know you wanted a 6spd but.... http://www.penskewynnferrari.com/detail-2005-ferrari-f430-2dr_cpe_berlinetta-3522776.html
You won't even notice 20-30hp gain, even were some bolt on to provide it. However, having spent the money, the owner will delude him/herself into thinking there's some awesome performance gain. Its a common behavioral mod. Save your money; buy better tires and take a few driving lessons on the track for better performance.
maybe the HP gains you will not feel but the throttle response you will. The problem with the ECU tuning is cost, 25HP for $4k . NOT WORTH IT ! All its doing is changing a few parameters and takes only a few key stroke. I have yet to see anyone post dyno #s to confirm the gains. Other then for changing exhaust , hi flow cats or test pipes
+1! I havent really noticed my 348 is any faster on the road, but it certainly gets to redline quicker when I free rev it. Throttle response is more crisp now. Sounds awesome too!!
Ok , I oversimplified it a little BUT its not worth the money for the amount of gain you get. $4k(avg. price) for approx 25hp
Most of your gains you can get from exhaust with hi-flow cats or test pipes. Worth is really not subjective because you are addressing people who own these cars. $4k=25 hp most can see it. at least if you spend that much on an exhaust you do hear a difference. 25hp is not something one really feels.
well, 360s were not $300k new and they selling for less than $100k now. And I gather from your statement, people who own Ferraris must have it like that so it a drop in the bucket? And when it comes down to it ECU tune of 25 hp provides nothing that is really noticeable by itself. Second, true an exhaust can cost just as much but there are plenty of alternatives with exhaust that are more economical and at least there is something you notice i.e better sound? ECU tuning is usually only worth it for turbo cars then you see a difference.
You have your personal opinion and I have my professional opinion. We have way to many very happy customers for me to be spitting in the wind here with you. Some people dont get it and never will, thats just the way it is.
Its true the Ferrari tax is rather high, but it costs a good deal of money for development on expensive cars. You pay more for a qualified tuner's time, cost of a dyno, and purchasing a car if necessary. Value is an opinion of a buyer, it may be worth the money to some, but not the others. Like buying an exhaust, some may be happy with a Magnaflow muffler and mild steel tubing, and some are only happy with a Kreissieg.
