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  1. Tyson

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  2. JOEV

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    Tyson - thanks. That is so tragic.
     
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    Is that the only orange 365 GT4 BB Scaglietti in the world? !!
    Great pics!!
    Thanks a lot!
     
  5. ferraripete

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    martin, thank you for posting the daytona wagon photo. that car was done by luigi (coco) chinetti w/ design help from bob peak. bob peak was a father to my boyhoodfriend mathew. while bob peak was a notable artist living in greenwich (he was the artist that painted the original marlboro man watercolors) this dragon wagon was probably not his best work! nice to see the photo and thanks for the memories!!

    peter
     
  6. JOEV

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    Thanks Joop - it's obvious that he was a true Ferrari fanatic. Such a sad, sad story.

    BTW guys, Martin of Cavallino Motors in Florida and "cavallino" are two different guys.

    Joe
     
  7. Ontogenetik

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    cavallino, thank you for the photos.

    It's ironic, the more Ferrari photos I view (and most cars),
    the more I appreciate the "imperfection" of living things, and those
    strange, unpopular, unknown, handmade, lovingly made,
    one of a kind things, eg. some cars.

    "Perfection" is just another standard, as uneventful as any standard.
    Not to mention mass production, which renders beauty meaningless.
     
  8. FerrariStuff.com

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    Also just returned from Gstaad after a night stay over in France.

    Some comments on what I found nice, interesting, odd and weird...

    Weirdest:
    A guy (I believe an Englishman) paid SFR 1,400 + 26% premium, so in total some US$ 1,365 (!) for a plastic 250 GTO pedal car which has a regular retail price of US$ 650....

    Interesting:
    The whole Lepeltier collection. First of all sad of course, very sad. Linking to what was posted earlier about buying at auctions: it was an agreement between the Swiss courts, Swiss IRS, the heirs and Bonham's that the only way to properly value the collection was to sell it at auction. These particular cars would NEVER have been offered through ads or private sales as they have been in lock-up and under control of the court since 1990 and were now sold for the reason mentioned above. The proceeds of the sale will be used to fullfill the obligations resulting from the Lepeltier bankruptcy and the remainer, if any, will go to the heirs.

    Although some of the cars were VERY desirable (the lime green 308 for example, one of the very first vetroresina cars, the 188th built and a one owner car), one has to take into account that they spent the last 13 years in storage and were started to see if they were still running (OH THOSE BELTS !!!). They will ALL require a major service (or more) before you can actually drive them.

    Odd:
    That ABSOLUTELY HORRIBLE Straman 400 cabrio conversion... What a horror! Bad paint, ugly, & rusty! Still made SFR 68,000 + premium if I remember it correctly.....

    Nicest car:
    The grey 365 GTC/4. SFR 200,000 spent on a more or less recent restoration and sold for a mere SFR 98,000 + premium.

    Most interesting car:
    The Prince Bernhard 500 Superfast. Needs work to sills and floorpans (RUST!).

    Bargain of the sale:
    The red Lepeltier 365 GT4 BB. Sold for SFR 65,000 + premium.

    Automobilia:
    Nothing extremely rare or expensive. Overall decent prices but nothing very expensive or real bargains.

    Class act:
    The F40 (the "reason" why Lepeltier was murdered) was bought by a friend of his and this friend was prepared to "pay any price for the car". After the fall of the hamer, he announced to the audience in the sales room that Peletier was the best friend a person could wish for. He got applauded for that.

    All of the above are of course just my observations.

    Best regards,
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  9. Ontogenetik

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    >Weirdest:
    >A guy (I believe an Englishman) paid SFR 1,400 + 26% premium, so in
    >total some US$ 1,365 (!) for a plastic 250 GTO pedal car which has a
    >regular retail price of US$ 650....


    An exceptional Englishman.


    >Interesting:
    >The whole Lepeltier collection. First of all sad of course, very sad. >Linking to what was posted earlier about buying at auctions:

    Linking to what was said earlier about "buying at auctions":
    http://ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3489

    Sadder still would be if some "cow boy" murdered him for the petrol in the Ferrari's gas tank.



    >Class act:
    >The F40 (the "reason" why Lepeltier was murdered) was bought by a >friend of his and this friend was prepared to "pay any price for the car".
    >After the fall of the hamer, he announced to the audience in the sales >room that Peletier was the best friend a person could wish for. He got applauded for that.

    Just another expensive F40 becomes priceless, for humans are priceless.
    In accord and definitely worth a short story.

    synopsis:
    man works (no employees?).
    man finds meaning in his life through ferrari's.
    man works harder (by employing others? ... tangent to theft) to taste more meaning.
    man is murdered by another man for the ferrari. (bifurcate into murderer's life)
    man's ferrari for sale at auction.
    man's best friend purchases the ferrari at any cost.
    man's wife wonders if man would have died for her.
    murderer's lover wonders if he would have killed for her.

    fchat only epilogue - enzo ferrari shouts in his grave (activate .it accent): COUNTACH! I finally realized, my automobiles are competing against women, not other marques. INCREASE THE PRICE!!!



    >All of the above are of course just my observations.

    There is only (one) of you.



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  10. cavallino

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    Ontogenetik,

    I am sorry that I left you out of my observations...

    Please find the addendum below.

    Tasteless act:
    Ontogenetik's comments on the Lepeltier murder.

    Sic.

    Jack
     
  12. BigTex

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    Thanks for the info, Jack. A lot of posts on this thread are from people who didn't know the significance of the auction/collection.

    Octo, of course, got so deep I thought I was gonna drown, before I was washed back to shore! Kinda like North Shore!

    In Houston, it's not so hard to be killed over your car, your girlfriend, or even your shoes! Boots, actually, if your a cowboy!
    In my 'hood, gun control is being able to hit what you aim for!

    Superamerica's are known to get rusty, per Letterman.


    I knew there might be some good values among the cars, Of course they would take some care, to put 'em on the road.

    That's wonderful that the F40 went to that type of owner. There is the value of the relationships formed around these cars.

    What did the Lime Green 3008GTB sell for? Anyone have total results??
     
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    4 Jaguar MK10 1963 14.153 euros

    7 Ford Thunderbird 1957 35.382 euros

    8 Mercedes 190 SL 1960 33.023 euros

    9 Facel Vega Excellence 1956 41.279 euros

    13 Bentley Continental SIII 1963 99.874 euros

    15 Maserati 3500 GT spyder 1963 76.362 euros

    17 SIATA grand Sport spider 1952 67.226 euros

    18 Facel Vega HKIIB 1963 58.970 euros

    21 Porsche 911 S 1972 43.048 euros

    28 Ferrari 250GT 1960 193.920 euros

    30 Vaillante grand défi 2000 31.844 euros

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    52 Moteur Renault F1 1984 12.973 euros

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  14. cavallino

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    308 GTB Vetroresina (s/n 19275) 45.948,-SFr
    365 GTB/4 Daytona (s/n 15069) 190.632,-SFr
    275 GTB/2 Shortnose, s/n 06827.300.855,-SFr
    250 GT Lusso (s/n 4509GT) 240.232,-SFr
    512 BB s/n 30865 96.942,-SFr
    Dino 246 GT (s/n 06024) 85.920,-SFr
    F40 366.989,-SFr
    275 GTB/4 504.768,-SFr
    288 GTO 344.944,-SFr
    250 GT SWB Berlinetta s/n 2649GT 1.050.372,-SFr
    342 America s/n 0246AL unsold at 440.000,-SFr
    250 GT Coupé Boano s/n 0521GT unsold at 180.000,-SFr
    250 GT Lusso s/n 4591GT unsold
    275 GTB/4 s/n 10627 unsold
    330 America 75.814,-SFr
    330 GT / 500 Superfast Speciale s/n 6267SF 422.100,-SFr.
    365 GTB/S4 Daytona Spyder conversion by Richard Straman 245.743,-SFr
    365 GTB/4 Daytona Shooting Break unsold at 320.000,-SFr
    365 GTB/4 Daytona Competizione, s/n 15685. unsold at1400000 SFr
    365 GTC/4 130.009,-SFr
    365 GT4 BB in rare ”Rosso Dino” (orange) 113.476,-SFr
    400 GT Cabriolet, s/n 23647 unsold at 58000 SFr
    512 BBLM s/n 30559 444.145,-SFr
    550 GT unsold at 340000 SFr
     
  15. BigTex

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    Thanks!!!

    Happy Holidays!


    Dear Santa,

    I've been pretty good all year........
     
  16. Edward 96GTS

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    How to calculate SFr to us dollars?
    How many SFr = $100,000?
     
  17. cavallino

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    129000 SFr = 100000 $
     
  18. Badapple

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    Brilliant, many thanks for the pics.
     
  19. FerrariStuff.com

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    Next time I go there, I'll buy a bigger wallet first.

    There were at least 4 cars there that I considered "low priced" AND interesting...

    The years after that, I'll actually put some money in that big wallet....
    GRINNNNNNNNNNNN

    Jack
     

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