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Discussion in 'Vintage (thru 365 GTC4)' started by steve meltzer, Dec 16, 2009.

  1. steve meltzer

    steve meltzer Formula Junior

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    Other than Dayton Wirewheel, does anyone have suggestions for the restoration of the Borranis off my Ghibli? thanx steve
     
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  3. shaughnessy

    shaughnessy Formula 3
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    What are you looking for

    price or quality ?

    Stamp restorations?
    Spokes?

    I sure the answer is both.

    Precision Wire Wheels
    714 South 57th Street
    Quincy, Illinois 62305
    217.228.8315
     
  4. BIGHORN

    BIGHORN In Memoriam

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    What happened with Dayton? I had good results with them in the past.
     
  5. steve meltzer

    steve meltzer Formula Junior

    Sep 18, 2004
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    I was thinking of using them (Dayton). They did an excellent job on the 3 eared "knock offs" from my GTC. thanx for the info. steve
     
  6. Vintage V12

    Vintage V12 Formula 3

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    I have not seen the work of Dayton, but there must be a good reason why Cork at Precision wire wheel gets wheels from all over the world to restore. He not only does great work but is a super nice person. I would give him the business before anyone else.
     
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  8. swift53

    swift53 F1 Rookie
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    I sent Cork some spinners, and the work was great. + he is a heck of a nice guy.
    Regards, Alberto
     
  9. Edward 96GTS

    Edward 96GTS F1 Rookie
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    agree about cork. if you're gonna give a chunk of change to someone, it's nice to deal w/ a nice guy.
    ed
     
  10. Motob

    Motob Formula 3
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    I also recommend Corks's work, second to none.
     
  11. michael bayer

    michael bayer Formula 3

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    A third for Cork, he has done three sets of wheels for me the work was terrific one of the wheels was truely brought back from dead. And he is one really nice guy M
     
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  13. Dave330gtc

    Dave330gtc Formula Junior

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    At the risk of this sounding like a broken record I also agree with the referrals to Cork. Couldn't be a nicer man and his work is excellent. Very refreshing in today's world.
     
  14. Randy Forbes

    Randy Forbes Formula Junior

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    Geez, I hope Cork doesn't sell new wheels, I'd feel terrible after all these rave reviews!

    I purchased a set of four (4) 15 x 6 painted AC Cobra wheels from Dayton this afternoon.

    They're for my '57 100/6 two-seater.
     
  15. steve meltzer

    steve meltzer Formula Junior

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    I spoke with Cork about 15 minutes today and just a really nice guy, as was David Adler at Motospot and Bob Gates in Colorado. My wheels are steel, not aluminum, and that makes the chromeplating a problem...re: expensive. Dayton was nearly $200 less per wheel and since the car is a driver and no where near concours, I think using them makes the most sense. I hope to get them out this weekend. thanx everyone. steve
     
  16. steve meltzer

    steve meltzer Formula Junior

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    BTW: Two years ago Dayton did the "knock off" spinners from my 330 GTC and did an excellent job, in about half the time they quoted. s
     
  17. f308jack

    f308jack F1 Rookie

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    If re-chroming is required (especially spokes!) make absolutely sure that they know the proper procedure to do so in order to avoid hydrogen embrittlement.
     
  18. shaughnessy

    shaughnessy Formula 3
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    #15 shaughnessy, Dec 18, 2009
    Last edited: Dec 18, 2009
    hit the nail right on the head!

    So price WINS!!


    Best of my knowledge Dayton uses a different spoke, not Buchanan spokes.
    There is an angle issue at the base of the wheel, unsure of actual spoke diameter or material composition.
    They work, they will be pretty, but finished product is weaker. Ghibli are heavy cars.

    Weaker wheels on a heavy car at a cheaper price! Wahoo!
     
  19. Bob Zambelli

    Bob Zambelli F1 Rookie
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    Tom - I have never had my wheels rebuilt but I was told that some rebuilders use stainless steel spokes while others are chromed steel.
    Can you shed any light on this? Advantages or disadvantages of either?

    THANKS, Bob Z.
     
  20. Napolis

    Napolis Three Time F1 World Champ
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    http://tawvehicle.com/borrani.php

    These guys have made wheels for me for my P 3/4, 412P, Dino Competizione, and 002.

    They also rebuild Borrani wheels and are an authorised Borrani dealer.

    They also sell proper KO's including "Rudge".

    Ted is a good guy.

    Mention my name.
     
  21. 246tasman

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    #18 246tasman, Dec 18, 2009
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    I have just taken over a company in UK who rebuild Borranis as well producing their own alloy rimmed competition wheels (Turrino), and all other types of non-motorcycle spoked wheels

    They have used stainless butted (ie larger diameter at the hub end where the spoke is bent) spokes for over 25 years and have found them superior to chromed spokes. Use of the correct grade of stainless is vital, as is the use of rolled rather than cut threads.

    The biggest problem with chromed spokes (assuming proper heat treatment to deal with embrittlement) is that when the spoke flexes there is a tendency for hairline cracks to appear in the chrome coating. Moisture can then enter leading to corrosion between the steel and the chrome.

    Another major advantage of stainless spokes & nipples is that the spoke tension can be checked and adjusted as neccessary when the wheels are serviced as the nipples do not seize on the spokes, as is usually the case with the chromed nipple/spoke combination
     
  22. BIGHORN

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    I dident know TAW (Ted Wabel) rebuilt Borannis. I agree Ted is a good guy; I know him and have bought stuff from him. Give him an A++.
     
  23. Napolis

    Napolis Three Time F1 World Champ
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    #20 Napolis, Dec 18, 2009
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    I think he still does but it's worth a call to find out. He had Borrani make a new set for 002 that are great.

    They still had original blueprints for her wheels.
     
  24. sam231

    sam231 Formula Junior
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    I sent my Borranis to Dayton last winter to be rebuilt and they were returned. Although I was not told so, I surmise that Dayton is no longer in the rebuild business. They next went to Precision Wire and came out great. So great that I wound up buying a set of Cromodoras for daily use and mount the wires only for show!
     
  25. Jack-the-lad

    Jack-the-lad Four Time F1 World Champ
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    +1

    Ted didn't actually restore my Campys but sourced them and coordinated the work with Bob Gates. Flawless work, fair price and great cooperation/communication.

    Jack.
     

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