Borrani wheel dent

Discussion in 'Vintage (thru 365 GTC4)' started by jww427, Sep 23, 2017.

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  1. jww427

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    John,

    US retail on a new wheel is $2,700. By the time you have that wheel rebuilt, you will likely have that much money or more into the rebuild process. I cannot speak to the processes of other wheel restorers, but I know that when Borrani rebuild a wheel, the outer rim is stamped with the date of rebuild and a serial number. (I.E. the wheel no longer is dated original.) If Borrani were to rebuild this wheel, they would likely replace the outer rim.

    I think it would be similar money and a much easier process to replace the wheel with a good used one, or a new unit. Then you retain the original spare in its "original" shape if you were to ever sell the car.

    Just my .02!

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  3. jww427

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    Thanks!
    Ill get a new one.
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    After 50 years and 55,000 miles, should I think about replacing all 5 wheels for safety?
    I drive hard for an old fart.
    JWW
     
  5. cheesey

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    no reason to replace, you could inquire about getting them tuned up by Borrani or a specialist, the wires loosen with use and age allowing the wheels to be less than desirable, usually suffer balance and run out issues... if getting new wheels, get non wire wheels for better driving experience, save the wire wheels for display and shows... that way the wire wheels are always clean for display and the pleasure of driving is not disrupted by less than perfect wire wheels. High power engines like the 365 can quickly detune a new set of wire wheels, reducing the quality of driving
     
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    Thanks.
    Anyone know which tubes to buy for the 15 inch XWXs?
    Best
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    Hi,

    I don't "know" and I don't have Borranis, but for my two E-types with Dunlop wire wheels I always bought new 15" Michelin tubes as well as new rubber rim bands to protect the tubes against the wire/spoke nipples. I have XWX's on the V12 E and also drive hard. Hopefully today a nice drive in the Frankfurt area in Germany, 130+ mph ;)

    Cheers,

    Pekka T.
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  9. patknapp14

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    If you are running the 205VR15 Michelin XWX tires, the Michelin 15J13 is the RUBBER stem tube you would want to run, or the Waymaster 600/650L15 is the METAL stem tube for that application!
     
  10. daytonaman

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    Borrani site shows RW3812 AND RW 4075 for 365GT 2+2
    They do not seem to understand the differences.
    How can both wheels with totally different offsets apply to one application ?
     
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    On the catalogs I have looked at, RW3812 is the only wheel option for 1968-1971 Ferrari 365 GT 2+2. The RW 4075 was the wheel option for several other Ferrari models, including the 1972+ 365 GT4 2+2.

    The only way to be 100% sure which wheels your car came with from the factory would be to check the build sheet. Matteo and his experts at Borrani have built this catalog off of their years of experience with these cars. They are human, and there are always changes to be made, but to my knowledge the RW3812 is the correct wheel for a 1968-1971 Ferrari 365 GT 2+2
     
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    Pat, I was hoping you would chime in. I'm going on the parts book which says RW4075. As far as I know there was only one suspension setup on 365GT's. Now the later cars got 5 star mags same as Daytona. Daytona uses RW4075 so I still maintain RW4075 for 365GT (queen mother)
    Maybe the reason Borrani are suggesting RW3812 is that some (don't know how many) of the very late 330GT's got 365 engines and were stamped 365GT. If those cars retained the solid rear axle of the 330GT's then RW3812 would be applicable

     

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    Before I did anything, I'd contact Dayton Wire Wheel. They did a great job on the original Borranis on my '66 Ghibli (stupidly sold). Also here's a useful inner tube chart. steve
     

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    Mr. Pigdon,

    You are correct! I spent a little time doing some research and asking some input on this. The early 365 2+2's were built on 330 chassis and use the RW3812. Later cars used the RW4075. It appears that somewhere in 1969 was the changeover. Thank you for your help clarifying this, as it can be difficult to word properly.

    It is important to verify with the Borrani factory by chassis number/type that the proper wheels are being ordered for their application. The 365 2+2 is one of those cars that it is especially important that it is verified. Even better yet is if the car owner had the build sheet, as that is the only 100% way to be sure that the proper wheels are being ordered.

    Thank you for your help in clarifying this Mr. Pigdon!
     
  16. Longstone Tyres

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    Firstly what i would like to say on this Subject is that if you are looking for 215/70VR15 XWX tyres at present these are an absolute snip

    Set of 4 https://www.longstonetires.fr/catalog/product/view/id/1925/s/set-of-4-215-70vr15-michelin-xwx/category/2490/
    Set of 5 https://www.longstonetires.fr/catalog/product/view/id/1926/s/set-of-5-215-70vr15-michelin-xwx/category/2490/

    For a series of complicated in house reasons these are currently on our French site but i'm sure you can battle your way through.

    The big tip is that right at the top of the page in the middle there is a currency selector which you might like.

    Please let me know how you get on
     
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    For Borrani repairs in the States try these guys http://www.aemgarage.com/US/

    We do it in the UK https://www.borrani.com/ferrari-wheels/365-gt-2-2.html

    15" tube for a 205VR15 or a 215/70VR15 we would recommend http://www.longstonetyres.co.uk/page/offset-valve-michelin-tube-15-17h-13.html we have these in stock. Last time i spoke to Michelin they didn't have t he 15J13

    If you have 205VR15 Michelin XWX they are very old and i would not recommend driving on them. They haven't been made since at least 2000 according to my Michelin book from that year. If you want 205VR15 then i would suggest http://www.longstonetyres.co.uk/page/205vr15-pirelli-cinturato-cn72.html I believe that was what Ferrari were fitting until the early '70s generally speaking (though i did discover on Ferrari Chat that they were fitting 215/70VR15 XWX on the Daytona from 1968. I believe you can find pretty much anything Ferrari on this site ).

    I believe Borrani fitted rubber valve stems, not metal. though some did have metal covers on them. I am not really a big advocate of the metal valve stem, as the metal valve stem uses less surface area to bond itself to the tube. One of the most comon failures we used to have with tubes was the metal valve stem pulling itself out of the tube, so we encourage people not to fit them and that has dramatically diminished our failures. that said if you want metal valve stems we do sell the Waymaster as i believe it is the best one out there.

    Interesting to see what is being said about which Borrani wheels were fitted to the 365 GT 2+2. we will try to clarify adn then update our web site accordingly. (It just goes to show you can learn anything about Ferrari on this site)
     
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    I have a complet set, but I'm based in the Netherlands.
     

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