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  1. daytona355

    daytona355 F1 World Champ
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    Hi guys

    Bought a MacBook Pro yesterday, non retina, got a great deal (and a MacBook Air for the wife). Going to use the migration assistant today hoping my windows 7 machine info will come across.

    Need to transfer contents of outlook 10, plus the standard iTunes info, and make the mac the centre of universe for iPad and iPhone. Once done, will I be able (assuming I need to keep the windows machine, a Sony vaio, for emergencies), to update outlook on that old machine, and have it sync over to the mac etc?

    I bought office mac 2011, and installed it already. Is there any issue with the MacBook with certain websites etc (ala iPad), as made the move because all I hear is good things, but that some websites won't necessarily work, and as a mortgage broker, need to input online forms for clients mortgage applications, hence should I keep the windows machine

    I seem to remember hearing that you don't need anti virus software on macs, is this true, or should I install norton/MacAfee as I have a spare licence hanging around

    Thanks in anticipation of some great advice as always!
     
  2. daytona355

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    Just spent all day setting this thing up - Outlook calendar and Contacts doesnt migrate, as the file is a pre 2002 .pst file, and apple tell me to go to microsoft at £89 per half hour to find out how to convert it to the later file version (although it runs with my Outlook 2010 official copy - so god knows why its not unicode).

    Any ideas on how to convert/create a corrected version?

    I may have to give this back to the shop, as some of the web based applications I use daily for work (and advised to apple where i bought it) dont work with safari, and need IE6 or greater to work - any workarounds?

    What started an exciting day just got so frustrating I almost stuck it in the firegrate and hit it real hard
     
  3. Fast_ian

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    Firstly - Patience! You'll get there!..... ;)

    Easy one first; No anti-virus S/W required. The latest OS includes (buried) a rudimentary checker and a pretty good firewall.

    I find it stunning that there's still some sites that "demand" IE - It's an outdated POS IMO.

    However, the easiest way to run it if you must is inside a "virtual machine". There's two commercial offerings; "Parallels" & "VMware" plus a free one; "VMbox". Unless you're comfortable with configuration either of the first two is probably your best bet. Either will guide you through the installation and prompt for your Windows 7 disk when needed. Once setup you can run Windows as a VM "inside" MacOS - Install the dreaded IE and as far as everything is concerned you're running a Windows machine. Works very, very well.

    Gotta shoot out, but I'll have a poke at the Outlook issues too - Probably not till tomorrow, but if all else fails you can run Outlook in the VM.

    Another alternative is Apple supports "dual boot" (Bootcamp). You can boot your Mac directly into Windows - ie, it *is* a Windows machine. The down side is rebooting the thing gets to be a PITA.

    Don't give up! Once you get 'er going you'll love it!

    Cheers,
    Ian
     
  4. Fast_ian

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    Are they truly IE only? If so, I'd whine, loudly, to the site owner - The days of M$ dominance, and their innumerable bugs, are over. I know many shops that won't let IE anywhere near their machines......

    You may want to try either Chrome and/or Firefox - I'd be surprised if IE were truly the only option today.

    Cheers,
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  5. daytona355

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    Thanks Ian, I will try to persevere. Will start looking for that software today to run the virtual machine and get IE that way. It's just so annoying, I'm a financial adviser, you wouldn't think we should be so technical, but it's seems most lenders and insurers websites, and their secure application sections, need IE to run them, nothing else, so of course, I. Have to be able to use it or I simply won't be able to earn a living!

    With regards outlook, Microsoft apparently changed from one type of file to Unicode in 2003, so .pst files that hold the information which were created before the change ( such as for me, who started with outlook 2000) won't work with mac versions of outlook. Apple say a new file has to be created and saved, then migrated over to mac which will then work. I have tried to duplicate the file and save as a new type, but I can't get it right and ended up with half a dozen useless files. The help screens and google gives plenty of ways to do things, but none seem to work the way I am expecting, and none seem to be exactly the thing I am being asked to do (none say duplicate and update to new format, for example)

    As I said, I'm a financial adviser, and my computer abilities are very much reserved to the basic word processing etc (I don't even know how to use exel properly with equations, I just type stuff in which when it prints looks great!), so while I'm trying to do this file, half my mind is frightened of destroying the file that works so well on my windows machine, so undoubtedly that isn't helping.
     
  6. daytona355

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    Hi

    Just looked into Parallels, and can buy it for £65, so no problem, do I also have to buy a licence for Windows 7?
     
  7. Fast_ian

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    Good morning! :)

    Whoa - Hold on - I'm pretty sure a trial version is available free for a month - Lets do that first!.....

    You do indeed need a "full" Windows 7 license, but IIRC you should be able to use the one that came with your Viao - As long as you have that great big long key code (?)

    :eek: I hear you!...... I honestly thought those dark ages were over!..... Do you have a "trusted" tech support guy you can talk to? - The Question becomes; Do you *really* need IE, or does your server just need to "think" it's IE?

    I think I'd try Chrome first - It may just work. But, if not, we can "fool" the server with some fancy footwork in Chrome and tell it we're using IE - Which may work if they're simply checking the browser ID.....

    Get back to ya on Outlook etc RSN....

    Cheers,
    Ian
     
  8. Fast_ian

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    I suspect they're now doing this from a "support" perspective; "Sorry dude, we only support IE" - Complete and utter BS IMO - They should really support the HTTP "standard", and that ain't M$ any longer!...... I could rant (again ;)) but that's not gonna help right now....

    I hear you! "Discretion is the better part of valor!"

    1. Backup yer data files! [USB stick is probably easiest]
    2. Delete any "export" files you created and which don't work to avoid confusion!

    I'm no Outlook guru - Maybe someone else has "been there, done that"?

    Nevertheless, that you're using the Unicode, 2010 version says it must be possible! I'd guess under "file" there's an "export" option - We're looking for a nice neutral format for that export - Sounds like you've been there though? When you try and import any of these into the Mac version, what's the error?

    Hang in there, we'll get it!

    Cheers,
    Ian
     
  9. Fast_ian

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    Poked around a little on your Outlook questions.

    Short of someone else jumping in with a better idea (feel free!) this looks like it may be the ticket; Outlook to Mac Mail, Convert PST to Mac, Entourage, mbox - PST Converter Pro

    The full license is $29 but you can download a trial version free - It'll only do 10 "records", but if that works I suspect it'll be $ well spent. And removes the need for Outlook on the Mac :)

    Cheers,
    Ian
     
  10. Fast_ian

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    Uh-oh!..... I do hope you haven't done that!......

    Cheers,
    Ian
     
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    Hi Ian

    No, not yet, spent nearly three hours on call with apple, and all I got was that they managed to corrupt my iPad data trying to do the job, so I had to put that right. They said they would come back with an answer, but as yet, nada
     
  12. Fast_ian

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    Whoa!..... What the devil has your iPad got to do with anything? At least they're not charging you 170UKP / hour for a telephone call. ;)

    Anyway, I thought you had two basic problems;

    1. A need to run IE. Or at least fool the servers into believing that. Easy to do, at least with Chrome which I suggested you try - "Native" first, then we can tell it to tell the servers that's it's really IE and try that. If neither of those work, we'll move on to a VM, but I have a suspicion that we'll get 'er going without that.

    2. An inability to export "old" PST files to the Mac. This doesn't sound like an Apple problem either TBH.

    What's happenin'? Did they ever get back to you?

    Cheers,
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    They decided that if they synced my iPad to the mac, imported the calendars and contacts into the mac standard system, then imported these into the outlook application, this might work. We tried, and it duplicated the calendars, created about 30 sets of new calendars, all then duplicated, and contacts wise a corrupted set came across

    Then the iPad showed this rubbish version, and it took me a further hour to get rid of it all and put almost back to normal (still have duplicated calendars I can get rid of)

    They haven't called me yet with a solution to any of the issues, but they have sent me a customer satisfaction survey that a more harsh me might have already completed, but I'm staying calm and working thru.

    Installed Firefox like you suggested, and some of the websites work thru that one, but the lions share are still not working.

    On the lighter side, I have been playing with the mac, and it's such a nice machine, so quick and easy, it will be a shame not to get it working right, I'm even in my mind trying to justify having it as a playboy, and leave the windows machine alone!
     
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    :eek: ;)

    So, you have now migrated your contacts from the PC to the Mac? [Via the iPad? - This makes no sense to me, but I wasn't on the phone with 'em! ;)]

    It's trying! - They want to be careful about not deleting stuff, so take a "conservative" approach and duplicate stuff - Sometimes a little liberally as you've discovered!

    However, removing calendars (how many *should* be there?) should be easy - Calendars -> edit -> delete selected.

    As for contacts, how many? How many, and in what ways are they 'corrupt"? Corrupted on the Mac? Or the iPad?

    BTW, have you enabled iCloud? [If yes, you may want to disable it until we get this mess sorted.]

    :) ;)

    Sort of progress!..... *Personally*, I'd give Googles Chrome browser a try - Not as "fat" as Firefox. Further, and without installing any add-ons needed by FF, Chrome can be configured to tell the servers that it's "really" IE - I still suspect this may fix your "lions share".

    Very good! Once you get used to it, and we get thru this mess, you'll wonder how you ever lived before!..... I guess iTunes and the like are all running well?

    Cheers,
    Ian
     
  16. Fast_ian

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    Firstly, thanks for jumping in!

    Apparently, this didn't work "as advertised" due to the age of some of the records. :(

    That's true, but;

    1 - I'm not yet convinced that changing the UAS isn't going to fix the problem. No VM needed!
    2 - I'm not sure I'd recommend VirtualBox for him. Sure, it's free, but Parallels (& WMWare) have telephone support etc - Which may come in handy.....

    Cheers,
    Ian
     
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    Seems like a lot of trouble with no clear benefit. Why not stay with Windows machines? More bang for the buck, and more reliable to boot.
     
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    Friend of mine worked with vm for a long time, so managed to get hold of him yesterday, and he has agreed to install vm fusion and migrate my windows machine into the mac for me. He was one of the techs with vm so fingers crossed on Monday evening we might get the case cracked.
     
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    It took such a lot of work last time to get windows to talk to my iPad etc that I thought to have one platform would be better, as sooner than later, I will need a new laptop and windows 8 looks like a handful, so I took the plunge and went for looks and what I thought would be easy iPad/iPhone syncing
     
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    i have windows 7 running in vmware on one mac and windows 7 running inside parallels in another.
    both work fine.
    i think parallels is a bit more user friendly.
     
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    Cool. Good luck and please let us know how it goes.

    I'm still not convinced you need to go to a "full" VM - I'd love to hear what Chrome, set to appear as IE, does in your environment(s).

    Cheers,
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    Got the migration done, so far, so good. Printers stopped working and needed a reinstall, but aside from that, it's just the speed of the virtual machine that really takes getting used too, it's a bit tedious. Hopefully at the weekend will rationalise things, reinstall what can go mac onto the mac and remove from the vm, will help reduce the amount of time needed to use it and make life a little easier

    Outlook still screwed, but since I can use the vm to sync, will just continue with outlook on that and not use the mac version
     
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    Still way better than rebooting between the two! How much RAM in the thing? I suspect maxxing it may be a big win for you.

    However, I'd still really like to try Chrome (in MacOS) claiming to be IE; No VM needed and I'm >60% (WAG!) convinced it'll do what you need.

    Outlook we'll get back to.....

    Cheers,
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    Well, I'm going to try to get my exel and word docs etc over into the mac environment now, so that all I have is the actual odd application to run in vm, then once that's done I don't have to keep duplicating work. Then I will download chrome, and await your advices on how to make it look like IE and give it a try

    The only thing I then have is certain software packages from lenders here that seem to be available only as windows, but since those are only. Used when I am writing a mortgage with the particular lender, the vm will only be needed sporadically, so would be a win win for me

    Managed to get my video camera to talk directly to iMovie this week, so another one down, sling player today if I can as I imagine the memory for streaming would be painful on the vm!
     
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    Okay, so I have the virtual machine installed. It runs real slow mostly, and early after booting up, takes ages to get into program's, but works, so hey.

    What I really want to set up is a backup. If I buy a backup drive, which do I go for. I'm thinking time capsule by apple, as its for the mac, but can I back up the virtual machine too? I have to run outlook on the vm as the apple version is rubbish and won't sync with my existing data properly, and as I work through the word and exel for windows, as I'm on the vm most of the day at the moment, my documents are all on th vm. Tried to copy them from one to the other the other day, some came, some didn't, and mac created a whole batch of duplicates, so deleted them and left alone.

    So, backups, how do I?

    Next up, transfer files easily, can I simply save the whole directory to a drive, open on the mac, and import into the documents file?
     

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