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Discussion in 'Boxers/TR/M' started by Newman, Dec 8, 2011.

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  1. Newman

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    Body panels are perfect including the rockers, the areas that need replacement are really minor and pretty straight forward to correct. I expected to find rust on a 76, sure beats one thats been whacked.
     
  2. fastradio

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    Just wow! Never, ever seen anything that bad...
     
  3. Newman

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    #103 Newman, Jan 7, 2012
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    This car needs a lot of panel replacement, if it was the first or last of a model or a prototype or a factory show car etc, I would save it.
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  4. MS250

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    I would agree, hopefully the owner got it for a great price, but I would agree with Paul, being the first or last bb....it will sure have a great story to save such a car....and if you got it to concourse level , just having such history would be cherry....especially if you passed on just a vehicle to you name sake ;). These are just the type of cars that need to be saved. Definitely a project of the heart.
     
  5. 4right

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    What was that duck tape holding together? Its nice that the car is now in good hands where it is finally being properly cared for!


     
  6. Newman

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    Its holding the A/C box together, im not sure how it got broken but it looks like it was repaired in place because the underside where its visible is painted and the hard to access part against the firewall is what you see all cobbled back together. Im looking for a box now and a few other items that turned out to be broken or incorrect. Looking forward to seeing it in primer once the metal work is completed.
     
  7. donv

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    Do you think this car sat outside or something? I'm sure as a prototype, Ferrari really beat on it and didn't take any particular care of it, but it makes me wonder about my Boxer...

    Of course, I know the history of my car for the last 20 years, and it's spent 99% of that time in a heated garage.
     
  8. Newman

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    #108 Newman, Jan 7, 2012
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    What I was told was it spent time outside and had its fair share of leaves on it when it would come in for service/repair. Another outside source told me it spent time in a container too. I dont know but it changed my impression of cars from texas. In 88 it was gone over front to back and called a restoration, we have the invoices but after that it was used and enjoyed. The distributor cap is dated 88 so what was done to it since then is just a guess but everything looks old - maybe 24 years old. The radar detector on the sun visor had mold on it and the park brake handle is rusty. The body panels are perfect and its straight.
    Ferrari classiche refered to it as a "Ferrari Experience car" and they held it until 78 before selling it to the first owner. What they did with it is unknown but we do know it was at the paris 76 motor show along with 20143 (the 77 amsterdam show car). Here are some pics, one looks to have no engine and weighed down and the steaming one says "the first BB512" in the caption so there were at least 2 there probably more since the one sitting low in the rear (bottom pic) looks to be engineless and maybe a prototype, or is it 19271 or 20143 or neither? Is the steaming car the one sitting in my shop? Were trying to find out. People that know colour and black and white have said the steaming car is not red, its a lighter colour possibly orange and the low in the rear car looks light as well. The pics are courtesy Mel Nichols from the Berlinetta Boxer book.
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  9. AHudson

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    Paul, not only are you doing a 'so so' job :) on the car, the history is fascinating. The 'lighter than red' comment really makes you think, maybe it is the orange car.

    Cool to gather the info, proving once again: we're not owners, we're custodians.
     
  10. Argento839

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    Paul, the lighter color car in the Nichols book looks more orange than silver to me...but it looks metallic too.. ?

    One of the differences between the two early 512s in the Nichols book is one of the cars has the inside of the ducts painted silver and the other doesn't. You might want to try slowly removing the paint in that area to see if there is any silver paint, or would that have been stripped completely when repainted..?
     
  11. Newman

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    I tried that before diving in but the car was stripped of paint then sprayed red. Under the black is primer then metal.
     
  12. Newman

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    #112 Newman, Jan 9, 2012
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    Engine is ready to lift out, harness next then floors. The clutch discs were replaced but reused the rest. An air grinder was used to machine the metal surfaces and one of the clutch plate guide pin holes was stripped so a hole was drilled right through and a screw was used as a guide pin.
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  13. donv

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    Was the clutch stuck?
     
  14. mrp_e

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    what is this, macgyver?
     
  15. Newman

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    Clutch wasn't stuck just poor judgement I guess.
     
  16. PSk

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    Who did the grinding on the clutch parts? ... surely they have to be properly machined?

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  17. Newman

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    Not sure who did but the clutch will be replaced and everything will be machined.
     
  18. Spasso

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    Looks like some serious hot spots on the fly wheel/ pressure plates. Wonder how well they will machine out.
     
  19. Newman

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    #119 Newman, Jan 10, 2012
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    Removed the engine and side panels today, sorted hardware for plating and packed parts away in bins. The goal is to get the car stripped down to the shell and on casters so the frame and structure can be blasted. The chassis will then go straight to the bodyshop where the panels will be manually stripped.

    I dont understand the use of the grey textured paint just sprayed on portions of things like the distributor and block, but not all of it just like it was sprayed from one direction.

    Kink in fuel line at pumps and a leak.

    Surprised the old dinoplex still makes the whistle and runs the engine. We'll upgrade that to the msd internals and ill twist Sam's arm into adding the extra little gizmo that simulates the dinoplex whistle noise for the judges.

    You can see traces of silver paint on the firewall where they didnt manage to hit it with black paint at some point in its past.

    Scotchbrite for float screens (Murray I need more stainless steel screens).
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  20. BigTex

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    Was there a ticket in the records from JRV at Pinnacle?

    It threw one side's belt from debris of some sort, after returning from Italy.

    He redid the head on that side.
    Per the selling agent....:D :D :D



     
  21. Gleggy

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    For you............................of course. Trade plus 50% for price should take care of it... right?
     
  22. Newman

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    #122 Newman, Jan 11, 2012
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    Thanks Mr Glegg youre the best

    I pulled the harness out from the rear up to the fuse panel, removed the fuel tanks and oil tank, removed the oil cooler line thats mounted to the chassis, the fuel pumps and the right side a/c hose and vacuum line up to the booster. Next I removed the main floor and rear firewall assembly exposing the frame and central lines. I want to save the brake lines, have them plated and install them again. The clutch line has a compression fitting installed up by the rack so ill have to replace that line front to back. Tomorrow ill remove the wire harness all together then focus on the foot wells. I feel pulling the floors was the best thing we couldve done for this car.
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  23. Newman

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    What made me laugh was the cross bars that the seats mount to. 175mph and my butt is held in the car by tooth picks.
     
  24. Spasso

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    I'm sure the reasoning was that it is a monocoque unit when fully assembled, but still, the visual gives one pause.
     
  25. suicidedoors1964

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    You have really torn this car down. I thought I took mine apart until I saw these pics.
     

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