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Boxer: engine block to trans sealer

Discussion in 'Technical Q&A' started by henryk, Mar 30, 2007.

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  1. henryk

    henryk Formula Junior

    Dec 9, 2003
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    Door County, WI
    I am about to attach the engine block back to the trans. Just want to make sure I am not doing anything wrong. I plan on using Permatex Ultra Grey on the mating surfaces, with a little oil on the O-ring that is present. I will first clean the surfaces with brake cleaner spray, and make sure they are completely dry. I will use a thin coat of the Grey and attach the units, bolting the two together. I have read that some will let the sealat cure for an hour before tightening the nuts down, but I don't think this is proper, since the sealer may start to get hard in an incorrect position......comprimising the seal.

    I will try not to mix the Grey with the oil.

    Does this sound OK? Thanks
     
  2. Rifledriver

    Rifledriver Three Time F1 World Champ

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    Absolutely positively never use silicone there. It cost Ferrari a ton of money from all the blown up motors.

    That oil passage is post oil filter and the silicone that gets into it (it will, have seen the outcome many times) will break off in the oil flow and clog the small passage restrictor feeding the heads. It starves the cam bearings and siezes a cam.


    Use Locktite (Permatex)518

    It anerobic and will not harden in oil passages.
     
  3. henryk

    henryk Formula Junior

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    Thanks for the advice Brian.

    If the 518 sealer doesn't harden, then can I assume that the seal itself will be "soft"? Can this not start a leak? Please don't get me wrong.......I am not arguing your point. It is just that so many people are confused when it comes to the use of a proper sealant..........myself included!

    How do you keep the sealant away from the oiled O-ring?.......just by some adding space between the O-ring and sealant?

    Thanks

    Hank
     
  4. Steve Magnusson

    Steve Magnusson Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Hank -- the Loctite 518 isn't a non-hardening sealer (like Hylomar paste). It's an anerobic sealer -- i.e., only the sealer in the actual joint will harden/cure. The excess that squeezes out doesn't cure (which is not true for a Silicone-type sealer, and is the problem with that type as Brian indicated). You still want to minimize the amount that gets squeezed out during clamping -- in fact, it's almost impossible to use too little ;). If you do a width X thickness volume calculation (say it's about 1/2" wide X .004" average thickness -- and most parts are better flatness than that), a 1/16" diameter bead is usually plenty.
     
  5. Rifledriver

    Rifledriver Three Time F1 World Champ

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    We put it on the O ring itself and in the groove. Any oil on any of the sealing areas provides a path for leakage. It will do no harm if small amounts get into the oil passage. That is the point of using that product. I put a thin even coat on the entire sealing surface.
     
  6. henryk

    henryk Formula Junior

    Dec 9, 2003
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    Thanks for the clarification on the 518 product, guys.

    Brian: Do you use this sealant on all the O-ring seals throughout the engine? I thought that Hylomar was a good O-ring sealer.

    Hank
     
  7. Verell

    Verell F1 Veteran
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    If the surfaces are in good condition, the o-ring by itself should be sufficient. When the surface has some roughness, O use the Permatex Hylomar for o-rings.

    The Valeo brand Hylomar has a solvent that evaporates pretty quickly, often before you have time to assemble things. Then it can't be smoothed out.

    515/518 can be used for many o-ring applications. However, when they set up, it's very firm. This is fine when an o-ring is sealing two flanges that are solidly fastened together. But, don't use it where the o-ring seal has to flex/give a bit.
     

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