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Boxer major service extras??

Discussion in 'Boxers/TR/M' started by steveirl, Feb 15, 2007.

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  1. steveirl

    steveirl Formula 3

    Dec 29, 2003
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    I have just booked the BB512 in for a major at the beginning of March. It is over 5 years since the belts were done. The car has been in storage for several years, but with a regular exercise program until about six months ago. Basically the storage company recommended not starting the car once the belts were 5 years old.
    I have already suggested to the garage doing the work that maybe the valve clearances should be reset. They have also suggested when the motor is out replacing the water pump seal. I will also replace any hard to reach hoses as a matter of course.
    Is there anything else I should be thinking about when the motor is out?
    Steve
     
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  2. Newman

    Newman F1 World Champ
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    Also retorque the heads, my 308 and boxer both needed it when checked. Also replace the carrier support O rings and axle seals, it also wouldnt hurt to yank the rear carrier and have it inspected for cracks around the welded end cap which could save you 20K in repairs down the road. This all drives the cost of the service up but saves you in the long run and gives peace of mind.
     
  3. Rifledriver

    Rifledriver Three Time F1 World Champ

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    Lower cam drive bearings are a common problem on BB's. They do considerably more work but are the same parts as on a 308. All to often when I have replaced failed ones it was not long after someone did a belt service and we had to do it all over again. When the motor is out and the front apart it is an easy job.

    Consider CV boots and take the distributor apart for a good cleaning and lubing.
     
  4. donv

    donv Two Time F1 World Champ
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    I had the carbs rebuilt when we did mine. Of course, it needed the carb rebuild more than the major service!
     
  5. wlanast

    wlanast Formula 3
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    Jan 9, 2007
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    I just completed a major on my BBi. I was told to seriously consider the differential upgrade by other local Boxer owners, as it is probably a matter of when, not if, the thing will fail. As I just bought my first Ferrari, this was initiation by fire. Both Rod Drew and Larry at Ferrari Tech (who completed the service) said they had never seen the diff fail on a Boxer, only the TR. While they are basically the same parts, the reason I was given is the Boxer just doesn't stress it enough with less hp and torque than the TR. Although I don't believe the diff failure is related to mileage, I decided against the diff upgrade. My car has 8300km on the original odometer, had never had an engine out service and had only been driven 300 miles in the past 9 years. Along with the normal engine out service items, mine included distributer rebuild, injectors, and CV boots. The inboard boots take a ton of heat just above the headers.
    Probably jinxed myself, but I feel comfortable with the advice I got from Boxer experienced mechanics. I am climbing a steep learning curve familiarizing myself with my new Boxer, but what a thrill to own this car! I have owned it since Nov., so it will be nice to drive it now that it is finally in my garage.
    William
     
  6. Newman

    Newman F1 World Champ
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    Welcome to the club, you should consider adding your vin to the "just how many boxer owners" thread and show us some pics!
     
  7. J Ingram

    J Ingram Formula Junior

    Aug 12, 2006
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    Welcome William and congrats on your car. I am also a relatively new Boxer owner and had the timing belts done along with carb rebuild etc. and chose to not have the differential upgrade. I learned about the possible differential failure after my car was done. I may have done it then, but chose to not have it done for now. I do drive the car often but with respect to it's age (1977 model year) meaning no smoky burnouts or snatching through the gears. I just wind it up progressively through the RPMs and the gears to give it a good running without thrashing the drivetrain. It seems to run much better the more it's driven. It takes a while for the car to warm so don't drive above 3000 RPM until the engine oil temp is up. At that engine speed, you can keep up with freeway traffic easily. The fast idle mechanism (if your car has one) will cut off when the water temp is about 80 or 90 degrees. Then you can enjoy it. You will have a great time learning how to drive it well. But the most important thing is to DRIVE IT!
     
  8. fmaderi

    fmaderi Formula Junior

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    all the things mentioned warrant a look . im doing a low mileage car and we pulled the water pump . i found the weep hole plugged and the start of much bigger problem . always check head torque and those cam drive bearings are becoming a very common service . check the dist to make sure advance is working . i tend to check mixture control plungers more these days on cars that have old/poor fuel . they stick and thats another oops ! . forza check for puffy coolant hoses
     
  9. steveirl

    steveirl Formula 3

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    Thanks guys for all your help. I know there will be quite a bit more to do as the car has not been started in almost a year. I would expect the distributor and carbs to need attention at the very least. The car had a new clutch fitted three years ago and has covered less than 600 miles since.
    I am unsure about the meaning of the rear carrier Paul.? Terminology used is different in the US. Are you referring to the driveline components/shafts?
    Steve
     
  10. Newman

    Newman F1 World Champ
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    The rear differential / carrier. Its the thing that breaks without notice. Since the engine is out pulling the diff out isnt much more work and you dont have to seperate the engine/gearbox to do it. The axle seals should be done, the O rings that seal the carrier supports to the gearbox should be too. With them out you can see the carrier, remove the rear housing ahead of the flywheel and out comes the carrier. I would at least magnaflux it for peace of mind.
     
  11. steveirl

    steveirl Formula 3

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    Thanks Paul, I will look into that when the car is being serviced in a few weeks.
    Also with regard to Brians suggestion about replacing the lower cam bearings, I have been browsing the service history of the car. The previous owner, from whom I purchased the car directly, bought it from Maranello, the UK official importer, which is a good thing as they do not deal in older Ferraris unless they are in top condition. Prior to sale they gave the car a full service, belts, and also separated motor and trans, and replaced all bearings and seals. The engine bay was detailed and all hoses were replaced. The webers and brakes were also overhauled.The car had 16500 miles when this was done and now has 18200 miles. Parts totalled over £2000 sterling.
    Honestly, the history of this car just puts me in a better mood as I research it more. It is just about as good condition as the BBi I regrettably sold last year.
    Steve
     
  12. msgsobe

    msgsobe Formula 3

    Aug 10, 2006
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    that's some nice peace of mind...records are nice!
     

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