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Boxer vs Countach.

Discussion in 'Boxers/TR/M' started by Fan512bbi, Oct 12, 2006.

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  1. J.P.Sarti

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    You are so f-ing dumb, I never made the comment you are posting about in this thread anyway, someone else did
     
  2. J.P.Sarti

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  3. RomanDad

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    Please, Please stop... Youre killing me!!! ROFLMAO!!!
     
  4. thecarreaper

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    ok, i still want one of each with carbs, in any colors other than red....

    we need more CT and BB pics. :)
     
  5. whart

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  6. donv

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    Yours is the only registered BB in Nevada? That really surprises me.

    I personally know of 5 BBs in Portland alone!

     
  7. joe sackey

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    OK, OK, OK! Boys!!! We have heard enough slanging and now its time to get back to the cars.
    JP is passionate about Boxers, but JP you need to ease up just a little. The rest of you guys take it easy - for heaven's sake somebodys gonna get lynched at the next F-Chat gathering!
    Maybe JP if you commented about some of the shortcomings of the Boxer (just like the Countach which also has plenty) the guys would see that you are a real enthusiast and can be truly objective. Cmon people... :)

    Joe
     
  8. whart

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    All in good fun, Joe. I assume Sarti has a sense of humor.
    :)
     
  9. J.P.Sarti

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    Well I have stated many times the aluminum bodywork is very fragile and dents easily, they get hot inside from the front radiator and large windshield, of course the diffs are weak as well so easy on the burn outs, just a few of the quirks that come to mind
     
  10. J.P.Sarti

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    Yeah its all in good fun,

    Is that your girl friend?
     
  11. bmwracer

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    I owned an LP400 for 10 years.It was a very well sorted car and quite fast.
    It had a few shortcomings but all italian cars of the 70's had similar problems Ferraris included.
    I have driven many boxers and the 2 cars can't be more different.They are both icons of the 70's and both cars have very nice lines,the BB being the conservative approach to a supercar while the LP400 was as radical as you could get.
    A well sorted LP400 will run circles around a 365 BB although at 200+km/h i found the BB more stable as the lack of front spoiler on the LP400 made the front end feel loose.
    The electrical on both cars sucked so did the air and the brakes and that goes for all Ferraris and Lambos of the 70s and 80s period.
    In the handling department,the LP wins hands down and the BBs engine layout sitting on top of the transmission really hurt it and that is one of the reasons it made such a lousy race car besides the fact that the BB512LMs were also huge cars.
    Overall different tastes for different people.
     
  12. Bullfighter

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    Lol. Priceless! I'm still laughing over JC driving the Volvo into the tree; the comment about the Beta having gone through a puddle; and the "sheet metal thin enough you could read through it."

    And he does look like he's hunched over pretty far to fit in the Countach.

    Thx for posting!
     
  13. EMILIO

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    really?
    is the lambo superior for the handling or the power/weight ratio, Aram?
     
  14. Fan512bbi

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    dammmmmmmm

    Who let all the L- - Power members in ?


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    Nice pics Steve !!!!!
     
  16. joe sackey

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    Perfect. I agree.

    Joe
     
  17. joe sackey

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    Wow. If we have learned anything from this thread, it has to be that there is passion like Ive rarely seen for Boxers...and Countachs.
    Certain people will learn to be more 'balanced' in their assessment of the cars, and then we are all learning something.
    The slug-fest yesterday had many reeling with PMs flying, insults being hurled, accusations being slapped, and fellow F-Chatters being verbally kneed in the groin!

    Commenting on the LP400, I use it as my "attitude adjustment" car. A 30-minute blast in that car will bring a smile to your face as there is no more exhilarating drive (except for the Miura), and you come home just loving the world. That alone is enough to own the car.
    But honestly, I cannot sit in that car for more than 1 hour. The reason is that its legendary curved seats (a styling Tour De Force, and great to look at, mind you...) must have been designed not with average sized humans in mind, but rather, chimpanzees (of the monkey variety). As a matter of fact, anyone who specialises in backs (chiropractors etc) will tell you that the Countachs particular seat is very bad for your back with its curvature giving you the exact opposite of lumbar support of any kind. So, the car is best suited for what it is intended: relatively short high-speed runs. That to me is the car's biggest shortcoming.
    All the whining about outward vision and stiff controls, is just that: Whining. I bet you wouldnt complain about such things if you were driving a race car. Well, this IS a race car, for the street. When well-sorted as all race cars need to be (and I mean this very respectfully to the Boxer guys), I have no doubt that a Countach's prodigious handling & performance will be hard to beat. It is more of a race car: raw, uncompromised etc Thats why comfort is not well-developed. The Boxer is more refined, genteel, more of a Grand Tourer etc. I guess I could take a Boxer for a drive in the country, but a blast in the Countach is more of a hard-edged roller-coaster ride, and Im afraid with its standard open pipes and "Basso Supremo" F1 sound, any communication between passenger and driver will be limited to hand signals.

    As Ive said before, my comments on this thread are strictly limited to the early LP400 Periscopa version.

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  18. Pantera

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    LOL!.
     
  19. Pantera

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    That pretty much sums it up......
     
  20. Fan512bbi

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    In these modern times i would have thought that there would be an aftermarket alternative? have you ever looked into this Joe?
     
  21. J.P.Sarti

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    Here's an article from Sheehans site who BTW is not the greatest Boxer fan, that sums up the cars well though its a bit old and prices are outdated

    The last of the classic Lambos is the Countach, produced in a variety of versions from 1974 to 1989. It is appropriately compared to the 1974–89 Boxer, and the first–generation Testarossa (1985–91).

    Once again, when unveiled the Countach was a technical and styling tour de force, although it quickly grew visually cluttered with wings and in the U.S., federal bumpers. The Boxer and even the Testarossa are more conservative mechanically and stylistically. Ferrari won the sales race, selling 3,623 Boxers and over 6,000 Testarossas, while just under 2,000 Countachs left the factory.

    While it may seem strange to call a Boxer “user–friendly,” in fact the Miura and Countach are both so user–cruel that the Boxer seems like a Mercedes S–Class by comparison. The Lambos are sometimes referred to as 45–minute cars, meaning that before an hour is up, the driver wants out. The three–quarter and rear vision from a Countach is a joke; backing up a Countach is an exercise left to the young and limber, as the driver must open the door, sit on the sill, turn backwards and aim while balancing himself, the gas and the brakes.

    Should I even mention that the Countach styling is so outrageous that you feel like a drug dealer the minute you get behind the wheel? While the Miura and the Countach may spec out better than the Boxer or Testarossa, in real life the Ferraris simply walk away from the Lambos. And the Ferraris are supported by a far more extensive dealer and parts network. Need a clutch in your Boxer or Testarossa? Figure on $3,500 to $4,500. For your Countach, that’ll be $10,000 to $12,000. Lamborghini ownership is not for the faint of heart, nor thin of wallet. Today Boxers sell in the $65,000–$95,000 range, and Testarossas in the $50,000–$65,000 range. Countachs are worth slightly more, with 25th Anniversary Editions bringing close to $100,000 if you find the right buyer on the right day.

    So if you’re looking for a car that says “look at me,” the Miura or the Countach are the ticket. If you actually want to use your exotic–as opposed to visiting it in its dedicated service bay at your local shop–or if you enjoy a few hot laps at the next sports car club track day, I’d stick with the prancing horse

    The last thing Boxers are is refined, the early carbed ones in particular are tricky in traffic as they have a very tall 1st gear so it takes some skill not to kill your clutch, the carb cars are extemely loud as well carrying on a conversation you need to almost yell, forget a radio. Its been written by Dean Batchelor Boxer was the first Ferrari in years to give enthusiests a feel what a race Ferrari is like.
     
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    Last time I checked, Michael did not broker too many Lamborghinis. He did manage to leave out from the article, the cost of an engine out belt service on the Boxer and or Testarossa series. That will set you back the same amount, as his quote for the clutch service on the Countach. The early Countach does require less time to change a clutch, than the later cars with all the additional plumbing. Perhaps he can insert the important Ferrari flat 12 belt service information, in his slanted article ?


    You do have an option to protect the clutch on the Countach. It can be burnt out in as little as 3,000 miles with careless driving. Burning out a Countach clutch, is from stupid clueless drivers, who do not know how to drive a manual, and or show-off drivers, who must emulate teenagers with a 5.0, by performing parking lot burnouts.


    Unfortunately with both the Box and the Tr, you are required to perform an engine out major belt service every five years. The Countach does not need any engine out belt service. As far as backing up a Countach ? - It is even more kewwl to push a Countach back slowly from the front, by yourself, in a manner quite similar to pushing back a light airplane. That is an experience to savor. AwEsOmE.
     
  23. joe sackey

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    OK, Im lost...who is this "Sheehan" again...?
    Countach = drug dealer is the same as Testarossa = Miami Vice....old, boring, stupid stereotypes which instantly render his rather Ferrari-biased article not worth the ink he bestowed upon it...Cmon, now lets read something that has meaning.
    Joe
     
  24. joe sackey

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    I cant bring myself to put anything aftermarket in it. I just take my pain like a man...;-)

    Joe
     
  25. Arvin Grajau

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    Just another second hand car dealer
     

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