No argument here ..one of my favorite Ferrari s .. cane close buying one for the low 80s less than 10 years ago ..always felt i missed the boat Sent from my moto g power using Tapatalk
so why is this the current case? is it because many/most people do not see the strong points of the bb? or is the rehab cost (in case its needed) just too daunting? or is the car too hard for most casual enthusiasts? is say this because i am constantly puzzled by the popularity, and price level, of the dino. great car, fun, and iconic shape. but, cost just as much to bring back to 100, and then is just underpowered and soft.
I think not being officially sold in the USA hurt its initial exposure, there is little nostalgia factor It does look more than a bit like a 308 The styling is beautiful but understated compared to its rival, the Countach. I don't get the appeal of Dinos compared to their pricing either.
Good day Ross, I would slightly change your thread title to "Boxers are Significantly undervalued" I, like others, also agree with you. The market looks to be fickle and so it is drawn to what it likes and for some reason the Boxer is not currently included. It is certainly odd, as there are so many reasons why the Boxer should be valued in the same league as the Dino and yet it is not: Boxers were the flag ship of Ferrari, they were made in much less quantities, and is a significantly better car from a technical standpoint... and yet they are ignored. I think shark's comments are correct in that the Boxer is not distinctive enough compared to a 308 or a Countach. I believe that most of today's buyers want something that "looks" quite different, and since the 308 shape is broadly known and recognized and that the Boxer shares similar lines, that it does not visually excite the buyers in the same ways as a Dino, Countach, etc. This is really unfortunate, as if these same buyers would actually drive the cars they would truly realize that the Boxer is in a league of its own compared to others. I guess to some the issue with the Boxer is that it is not "in your face enough" as much as other cars and so it is off the radar to most. Cheers, Sam
I agree with you (biased ), I have found most regular folks do like the car. I get a lot of thumbs up and remarks on my “cool Pontiac Fiero” .
The 308s and 328s are closing in on the TRs and soon the Boxers. Market smoking hot, boxers asking $200k and not selling, market soft $200k asking for Boxers and not selling. 308/328 $75-$100k all day long when they were just $20-$40k not too long ago. Go figure
I believe the Boxer will increase in popularity and value over time and one of main reasons are its similarity with the 308 with respect to the exterior design. The 308 shape has matured over the last 10 to 15 years and is just getting more and more popular and sought after especially among the younger audience that can afford it. The same will happen with the BB but in slower pace since the price range is significant higher than 308's. Slightly biased though, Best Peter
Yes, things are slowly but surely getting better. https://www.ebay.com/itm/1984-Ferrari-512-BBi-512-BBi-Only-5-534-actual-miles-/393781846682?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&_trksid=p2349624.m46890.l49286&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0
Agree. Both Boxer and TR are well below market value. Has more to do with perception by others. Both are exceptional and deserve increased values.
I wonder: in the description it says: ORIGINAL CALIFORNIA CAR DELIVERED NEW I always thaught they are never delivered to the US in new? also: COMPLETE SERVICE LESS THAN 800 MILES AGO but how many years ago??? and: Options Include: all those options have been standard for the BBi so very bad information published yellow fog lights and white turnsignals in the front - should be a french car have a look at the leather around the ignition switch - and only 5.534 miles ? ? ? I doubt ! ! !
I believe the Boxers are the last hand worked (panel beaten bodies over wood formers) after the Daytona. You can see the evidence of the folded sheet metal over the frame in several places. Also, the construction of the frame and suspension... What a machine! And the raw beauty. I love the connection of BB to Bridget Bardot. Not many if any other cars ever made have a tie like that. Hmmmmmm? They knew it was a supermodel from the beginning. I love the Dinos & 308's classic beauty, and I appreciate the Countach aggressive futuristic design, but I've always been drawn to and just stare and admire the perfect curves of Boxers. Beautiful from every angle. (i.m.h.o.)
I love the 206/246 Dino but believe that they are fully priced, if not a bit overpriced. BB512s selling for half that of Ford GTs is absurd IMO. The market speaks.
It isn't absurd at all when one considers the demand side of the equation. The Ford GT is like the halo car for every Ford guy in the USA...which vastly outnumbers the Ferrari customers for a model that was not officially marketed here and followed an iconic V-12 Daytona. But the Ford GT has been one of the primary beneficiaries of the "everything is going up" movement, although the fast rise started in Nov 2019. The FGT and a Boxer were my final two choices when I was shopping at the end of 2019....and one of the issues was I couldn't find a Boxer I could afford. They were all at least $240k or so and those at the lower end seemed to need $30k of work (I posted a thread about this). So I bought a Ford GT with miles in a driver grade condition for $182k and love the hell out of it so the decision was the right one for me.
They made a lot of Boxers both 512 carbed and injected cars. I put the 365BB in a different category. To me they are like the F40 in the supercar category. Its undervalued for what it is but Ferrari made 1,300 not 500. I will say the 512BB has been my favorite car to drive and out of maybe 10 I have owned and visually it is a nice pure design.
Dinos have achieved legend status like old Shelby mustangs or yenko Camaros. They'll continue to gain value because of their perception within pop culture. When most people see boxers they think 308s... Yes a Ferrari but not a legend in pop culture.
If you want a car in between classics and modern cars with a V12 in the middle, you can get a Diablo for just a bit more. I think that holds down the BB prices because they built a ton of Diablos. I see those two more as cross-shop competitors than their direct contemporaries because I think their styling appeals to a similar taste.
No matter how beautiful a car is (and boxers are that), people still want to be able to drive their cars. boxers just have a certain look of a car that screams “maintenance nightmare”
2,800 total Diablos isn't really alot at all......and several desirable variants have production numbers less than 500. The standard 2WD and AWD cars make up the majority of the run. I own a Diablo Roadster and can vouch they are amazing....getting that same mid-engine V-12, gated manual transmission, and removable top in a Ferrari would be a couple million dollars. On a beautiful day, a top off cruise in a Diablo cannot be equaled. One thing they have in common with Boxers is they haven't increased in price to the same degree others have....so there are deals to be had.
well that is an opinion...... my own anecdotal evidence is that AFTER the initial overhaul that cost a significant amount to catch up on all the deferred maintenance......it has cost me very little over the last 10 years. these cars are solid, and there is very little to go wrong with it since it is just mechanical, and not electrical....
ok. that is the numbers argument.... they made roughly 350 365 bb, another approx 980 512bb's and 1009 512 bbi's. for a total of approx 2350 bb's they made a total of approx 3700 dinos.....
