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Braille Battery for F430

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  1. DCF430

    DCF430 Rookie

    May 2, 2006
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    Did a search on batteries. Found the thread on the 360 replacement.

    Gonna price one in Pep Boys, AutoZone and Sears first, but will probably opt for the Braille.

    Does anyone know which Braille model and kit fit the F430? Can't believe they don't have a fit chart on their site.
     
  2. themash

    themash Rookie

    Jun 24, 2006
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    Any info on which Braille battery would fit the 430 ? Has anyone installed one ?
    Thanks
     
  3. tazandjan

    tazandjan Three Time F1 World Champ
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    #3 tazandjan, Sep 18, 2010
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  4. themash

    themash Rookie

    Jun 24, 2006
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    Thanks for the info Taz.

    I was actually looking to install a light weight battery (my fault for not being clear), and was interested in the "No-weight" groupe of batteries made by Braille ( 21 lbs or 18.5 lbs )

    Anyone try these smaller batteries ? install tips ? did the Braille battery mounts work ? which mount ?

    Thanks in advance
     
  5. tazandjan

    tazandjan Three Time F1 World Champ
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    #5 tazandjan, Sep 18, 2010
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    Sure you want to do that? Maximum CCA on any of those batteries is 550 amps, well below what the normal Brailles and Interstates are pumping out. See the battery document for exact specs. Personally I am more worried about starting than 20 lbs of battery weight for a street car. The MTP-91 has 700 CCA and the minimum for the Brailles in a size that will fit is 850 CCA.

    Taz
    Terry Phillips
     
  6. Carnut

    Carnut F1 Rookie

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    I tried one of those in my Gallardo, the results after 30 days I was back to a full size battery, it would not start the car it it sat more than three days.
     
  7. themash

    themash Rookie

    Jun 24, 2006
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    Many members on here are replacing their stock batteries with the Odyssey 925.
    The 18lb Braille battery has a higher CCA rating, and every other rating as well... so should be better, and 6 lbs lighter.

    Braille B2618 Odyssey 925

    Weight 18.5 lbs 24.5 lbs
    PCA 5 sec 1164 925
    CCA 472 380

    Even the lighter 15 lb Braille battery out performs the Odyssey 925..

    Not sure if i am looking at this wrong or what... but seems to me like the Braille is the way to go in terms of performance and weight.
    Any inputs ?

    Thanks
     
  8. themash

    themash Rookie

    Jun 24, 2006
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    Which Braille did you use ?

    The Gallardo is a V10 as well, so you need a bigger battery :)
     
  9. SSR

    SSR Formula 3

    Jun 14, 2007
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    Use a same weight battery to keep proper balance,430 have a very good weight balance.
    No need to go light in the battery since it is placed in the right side of the car.
     
  10. tazandjan

    tazandjan Three Time F1 World Champ
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    Mash- CCA (cold cranking amps, 0 deg F) is the commonly used performance criteria for batteries. 472 CCA is pitifully low when Interstate conventional batteries and Braille and Odyssey AGM batteries are pumping out 700- 880 CCA. The original FIAMM VR 760 with which your car was fitted put out 760 CCA. Why handicap your car with an undesized battery?

    Taz
    Terry Phillips
     
  11. reuland

    reuland Karting

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    If you'retrying to save weight look into a lithium ion battery! It is an option on Porsches!
     
  12. themash

    themash Rookie

    Jun 24, 2006
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    Thanks for the reply guys..

    I am planning on installing the Titanium Tubi exhaust + carbon fiber rear diffuser, this should reduce rear weight by atleast ( 40 lbs) , so i figure the balance should be almost the same if i remove (27 lbs) from the front with the lighter battery.

    I understand the CCA is lower than the stock battery, but the Braille is still better then the very commenly used Odyssey 925 battery used by many forum members.

    Anyone have a lithium ion battery installed ? pics ?

    Thanks
     
  13. SSR

    SSR Formula 3

    Jun 14, 2007
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    Yes remove weight from the rear not only one side.
     
  14. MrLithium

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    #14 MrLithium, Sep 24, 2010
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    Hello
    I'd like to jump in here..just joined as silver
    many performance sports car owners dont know what aftermarket battery to use.
    3 things are important, weight, size, and of course; must start the car !
    Instead of guessing on battery specs.. Get a clamp-on ammeter and READ what cranking amps the starter is using. put around one of the battery cables and have a friend ( gf ! ) start the car. THEN you'll know what CCA you ACTUALLY need.
    Of course Lithium outperforms lead. Who wants to push around a 30 - 50 lb boat anchor !?
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  15. themash

    themash Rookie

    Jun 24, 2006
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    Can someone please try this and measure the CCA of a F430 or scuderia ?? and post results.

    Thanks
     
  16. tazandjan

    tazandjan Three Time F1 World Champ
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    This is a joke, right? Where is someone willing to do this test at 0 deg F and how do you get the car to that temp? Just buy a battery. If you want an underpowered lightweight, buy one and let us know how it works. You can go on a diet and take out the kits in the trunk and have more affect than a lightweight battery. Unless you are Trev and are really lightweighting. Read his thread and use the battery he used. At least you will know it works.

    Taz
    Terry Phillips
     
  17. tundraphile

    tundraphile F1 Veteran

    May 16, 2007
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    Is there any risk of a fire with the Lithium?

    A good AGM battery will outperform a conventional flooded battery and last years without maintenance. The only difference between a Group 91 and an H6 is the overall height, 15mm taller for the H6. Interstate sells a flooded battery that they call a 48/91. The Group 48 is similar to the H6. Basically Interstate/AC Delco sell a 91 that also fits in a 48 or H6 space. It is just smaller than the maximum dimensions allowed by the taller Group 48 or H6.

    AGM is more sensitive to charging and if overcharged for long periods it can shorten the life of the battery. Just something to keep in mind as all heavy bricks of plastic and lead with two terminals are not created equal.
     
  18. tundraphile

    tundraphile F1 Veteran

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    That is a standard test for the industry to make comparing between models and brands easier. Some manufacturers intentionally attempt to muddy the waters a bit with things like "pulse current" or other non-standard measures to highlight special performance advantages their particular design may feature. But the 0F test is standard and the data is usually available.
     
  19. tazandjan

    tazandjan Three Time F1 World Champ
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    TP- He is not talking about the battery. He is talking about a test of how much juice the starter pulls. The 0 deg F CCA rating for batteries is a standard measure. What Mash is not taking into account is the battery needs to be able to start the car when neither it nor the car are in tip top shape. Batteries degrade over time and cars can require extra cranking at times. Buying a battery that is way less powerful than OEM just does not make sense.

    Taz
    Terry Phillips
     

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