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Brake adj. after system rebuild on an 83 qv ??

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  1. todd6363

    todd6363 Formula Junior

    Jan 20, 2007
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    Just completed rebuild of all calipers, new pads, lines etc. Adj. parking brake too .004 before bleeding system. Was this the wrong way ? Should I have bleed the system and then adj. the parking brake ? Have little to no air in the system and cannot get the back pads to grab. After 2 pumps of the pedal do they even touch the rotor, barely. Have went thru 6 cans of fliud, and have a good stream comming out of all the bleeders, and no leaks. Any suggestions ??? Thanks
     
  2. greg328

    greg328 F1 Rookie

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    Is your proportioning valve installed backwards?

    Just a thought..


    Greg

    77 308 GTB
     
  3. todd6363

    todd6363 Formula Junior

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    Did not replace the valve
     
  4. greg328

    greg328 F1 Rookie

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    Maybe your rear calipers have seized/need a rebuild?

    If you're getting fluid out of the rear bleeders, then the problem would seem to lie in the caliper itself...

    Greg

    PS--parking brake is cable operated, should have no impact on the hydraulic action of the caliper--unless you adjusted it all the way tight, so the thing was always clamped to the rotor!!
     
  5. Mark 328

    Mark 328 Formula Junior

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    When you change all that stuff, it can be hard to get all of the air out and it seems like you still have some air in the system. If you have a lot of air in the system, the fluid will flow past a big air pocket. The fluid will look air free, but the air pocket with prevent the brakes from working. Did you pre-bleed the calipers & lines? This will be a big help in getting the air-out. If not, you may want to open the line at the calipers to let gravity push the air & fluid-out.
    My Corvette brakes were tough to bleed especially if they had a lot of air in them so I learned a few methods.
    You may want to try different bleeding methods. What method are you using? Sometimes brakes respond better to more subtle bleeding methods.
    The old method of having someone pump the brake pedal then slowly push it down when you open the bleeder can work better than a vacuum system. Also, after you think all the air is out, I would recommend opening the bleeders (making sure they are lower than master cylinder) and let the fluid run out. While you have them open, tap on the top of the caliper & master cylinder with a small open end wrench--sometimes this will break a stubborn bubble free. If there is no air in the system, the fluid will run out at a pretty fast rate.
    You do have to make sure there master stays full
    Sorry about the rambling, but its late.

    Mark
     
  6. ClydeM

    ClydeM F1 World Champ
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    I specifically went after the parking brake issue on my 308 last year. In the process, I decided to rebuild the rear calipers. I found that if I went with a tight .004, the parking brake was poor at best, but the brakes were fine. A year later & about 5000 miles and I think it's time to re-check the parking brake. It does little again.
     
  7. 2NA

    2NA F1 World Champ
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    This is probably good advice.

    It looks like you still have air in the rears. Get a helper to "pump it up and hold it". Release the pressure and repeat for both sides. I'll bet after a few cycles you'll see a bunch of bubbles and it will begin to work. It's a good idea to do the fronts as well just as a final check.

    Sometimes bleeding brakes seems to defy the laws of physics.
     

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