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Brake / Clutch bleed / Fluid replacement advice

Discussion in '360/430' started by donriep, Aug 22, 2016.

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  1. donriep

    donriep Rookie

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    Tracking the car a bit, and I have a need to replace my brake fluid more often than my once a year maintenance visit to the dealer (which is out of town).

    Looking for advice on brake / clutch fluid replacement. For those that have done it on a 430, is there a documented sequence for calliper order for bleeding. Currently, I'm just going farthest from master cylinder and in (Backs, Fronts).

    Secondly, and most important, the 430 Master Cylinder shares fluid with the clutch, yet, I can't locate a bleed screw for the clutch. I'm assuming there must be a line I need to tap here as well. Any help here is appreciated! Looking to do more regular fluid changes myself.

    I've searched the forums, and have come short. If there is a url out there that will save you some typing, by all means, send it along. Thanks!
     
  2. cm2

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    Assuming you have a manual, there is a little black box with a bleed screw down in the engine bay that you can reach from the top. As long as that fluid is fairly fresh, you won't need to bleed there every time, just at the calipers where the fluid heats up and gets bubbles. Furthest to closest is right... back right, back left, front right, front left.
     
  3. donriep

    donriep Rookie

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    Thanks, I have an F1 transmission. Didn't see anything like this, but will take a look again.
     
  4. cm2

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    F1 is a different system
     
  5. fastradio

    fastradio F1 Rookie
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    A bit of confusion and clarification here...
    You have an F1, so the above statement regarding a shared reservoir with the brake MC is not true.

    On an F1 car, the clutch is actuated by hydraulic fluid, not brake fluid. The fluid is contained in a reservoir in engine bay. To service the clutch or F1 fluid, a factory SD-3 or equivalent tool is required.
     
  6. donriep

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    Thanks for the clarification. The brake fluid reservoir is shared by the clutch. Wouldn't that same fluid need to be flushed somewhere in the clutch system?
     
  7. Dave rocks

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    Don, I don't think you are understanding what David is saying.

    The brake and clutch only share the same reservoir and same fluid on a non - F1 car. F1 cars have a separate reservoir with hydraulic fluid to operate the clutch and actuator. That system has nothing to do with the brakes and brake fluid or brake fluid reservoir.
     
  8. donriep

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    Ah, got it, and that makes sense. I'll stick to bleeding / replacing through the calipers, and I should be good.

    Thanks for the help gents. It's appreciated!
     
  9. tazandjan

    tazandjan Three Time F1 World Champ
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    Don- Just for info's sake, the F1 system uses the same transaxle, clutch, and throw-out bearing as the three pedal version, but the T/O bearing seals are different because the F1 system uses what is basically synthetic hydraulic fluid. Probably a good idea to have your local expert change the F1 fluid and bleed the system. He will need an SD3 factory diagnostic tool to do that, or its equivalent (Leonardo, etc).
     
  10. cm2

    cm2 Formula 3

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    All that explaining is awfully wordy... :)
     
  11. tazandjan

    tazandjan Three Time F1 World Champ
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    For someone with 5 posts, I figure he can use all the explaining he can get.
     
  12. donriep

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    Too many word are better than not enough. ;-)

    Thanks again. I have my limits for sure, just looking for basic fluid replacement, this is helpful.

    Cheers.
     

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