Brake pads for steel brakes

I will need pads and a skim soon and would be interested too. I am thinking EBC redstuff for a mild step up.

 

OEM brembos or a cheaper alternative for tack use too would be Girodisc pads, $300 bucks


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I'm currently running StopTech Sport pads on my 360. Not as much dust as OEM, and they have better cold bite and at least as good if not better fade resistance. Also, so long as you have the rotors machined or replaced at the time of replacement and bed them in, they are quiet. About $85 an axle.

https://www.zeckhausen.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=230_995&products_id=6112

 

I have very good luck with EBC Red Stuff on my 360. Must less expensive that Ferrari parts and they have less brake dust than stock.

Steve

 

I want to try stoptech , do they stop better than OEM?

 

I have mounted Redstuff on used rotors in front.

They squeal a bit if they are not used hard, and the bite gets better when they are hot.

Dust is very low.

 

I think so, but don't have any stats. Subjectively, they seem at least as good if not better. I don't think they have provision for the wear sensors, though, so you need to look after them. Most Ferrari owners don't run their pads all the way down to the sensors and inspect the pads at least once a year or before/after every track event, so I've not found this to be a problem. Even though nobody likes cleaning brake dust off their wheels, I would recommend against most low dust pads, as they are oriented towards cleanliness rather than performance. The StopTechs are not a low dust pad, but they are a bit less dusty than OEM.

 

Are there any good technical write-ups on the various pads? There must be some trade offs or compromises! Some factory pads seem to generate a lot of black dust. They must know people hate the black dust. There must be a reason they tolerate it.

The pads I have on my car make so much black dust!!! I do not know what brand they are yet.

My Cayenne is the worst! It needs new pads now, the light is on.

 

Yes. The car has fixed, very stiff calipers, so if you don't machine them, you will get horrible brake squeal that won't go away no matter how much you bed the brakes. This of course is a bit of a problem for those who use track-specific pads and switch back for street use, but really if you want reasonable quiet on the street, you will machine the rotors (or replace them if worn below spec).

 

Dave Zeckhausen is a wealth of info. https://www.zeckhausen.com/catalog/

The short answer is yes, there are trade offs. Most OEM pads, especially on German cars, have soft pads that produce a lot of dust. The reason is that brakes stay relatively cool when driving at high sustained speeds (like you would encounter on the autobahn), but they have to have instant high brake torque (bite), even when cool in such circumstances, to avoid accidents when that other car might pull suddenly into your lane. Pads that work well for this are soft and dust a lot.

Harder pads are usually better at withstanding repeated hard use, like at a track, and are less likely to fade in that environment. They might also produce less dust, but not always, but that is usually not much a concern when wanting maximum performance. The problem with track only pads is they have less bite and longer stopping distances when cool, which is a recipe for rear end collisions on the street, as you can't really use them hard enough and often enough to keep them hot.

So you can see there are trade offs. Another trade off is money. Carbon ceramic brakes (rotors and pads) bite well cold or hot, and hardly fade at all when in heavy track use. They also produce very little visible dust. The trade off is high cost. When used moderately in even spirited street driving, they will last a long time. But in heavy track use, the carbon compound vaporizes, leading to the need to replace expensive carbon ceramic rotors much earlier.

 

Does 360 or 430 come with stainless steel brake lines ?

 

Not stock. But you can get them. Zeckhausen has StopTech's braided SS lines for 360s and 430s.

 

Thanks I'm ordering stoptech brakes and lines today

 

The site is definitely worth a read! I do NOT like the suction bleeders, and have had good luck with the pressure bleeders, but he contradicts that. I have a hard time believing it for street cars, for race cars? Maybe... I don't think those of us at FAT could determine if air was forced into the fluid.

 

Just thought I would drop in here and let you guys know that we have a pad we call our S/S compound that would certainly fit the bill. They are an aggressive street compound that can handle moderate track duty. The friction coefficient is very linear over the entire temperature range from bone cold all the way up to 1000 degrees. They provide better bite and overall thermal capacity compared to the Stoptech street performance pads while producing about the same amount of dust. If bed in properly our S/S pads will not make any noise. I've been running them in my daily driver and my 348 for the last couple years and couldn't be happier.

If you're running the OEM drilled rotors I would recommend getting the rotors turned when you put in new pads because of how badly the rotors tend to 'grove' the pads which in turn grooves the rotors. When you put on your new pads it's difficult to get a good transfer layer of material onto the rotor because the pad is not making full contact and creating excessive heat in the areas that it is contacting. When you're not able to get a good tranfer layer of friction material you end up with squeaky brakes.

With our standard slotted rotors that we offer the wear is uniform across the face of the disc so it's usually not necessary to machine our rotors when you put new pads in.

Let me know if you guys have any other technical questions!

 

I ran EBC Red Stuff ceramics on my 07 F430. No dust and no degradation for street use. Easy to swap if you're a DYIer.

 

Mike,

Do you guys also sell low dust ceramic compound brake pads similar to what Formula Dynamic offers? I replaced my brake pads with OEM pads supplied by Ferrari last year, work great, but man do they leave dust behind (and they were about 1k too).

By the way, your caliper piston spreader rocks!

Isi

 

I use Frodo pads on several of my cars. D-xxx??, I don't have the model no. handy, but it is their recommended one from their web site. I have had great life with the Girodisc rotors on my 360!!!!! Street and PDX track use...

 

They work the same way, by wearing through the plastic outer layer and grounding out. So no, not unless you damage the plastic when swapping the pads.

 

We carry the whole line of GiroDisc rotors and pads. They're a great performance pad for the value, and come in two varieties: Magic & Street/Strip.

The Magic pads are virtually dustless street pads, while the Street/Strip pad is a more track-oriented pad with a more aggressive compound. Works just as well on the street, but isn't as clean-running as the Magic pads.

Feel free to PM me. I'd be happy to send you over pricing details. I think you'll be pleasantly surprised!