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Brakes, Rotors, Pads & Procedures etc.

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  1. thomas_b

    thomas_b Formula Junior

    Sep 15, 2003
    765
    nice read about brakes, rotors, pads and procedures (found on
    http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=368072
    written by a guy from tire rack) - I attached the text; pictures are in the original source)

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    ROTORS
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    Rotors ...
    Slotted or drilled ????
    slotted rotors maintain approx. 96% of the friction surface
    drilled rotors maintain approx. 85-93% of the friction surface
    drilled and slotted only maintain 80-91% of the friction surface

    For many years most racing rotors were drilled. There were two reasons -
    the holes gave the "fireband" boundary layer of gasses and particulate
    matter someplace to go and the edges of the holes gave the pad a better
    "bite".

    Unfortunately the drilled holes also reduced the thermal capacity of the
    discs and served as very effective "stress raisers" significantly
    decreasing disc life. Improvements in friction materials have pretty
    much made the drilled rotor a thing of the past in racing. Most racing
    rotors currently feature a series of tangential slots or channels that
    serve the same purpose without the attendant disadvantages.

    the process of drilling rotors and slotting rotors was done for 1 reason
    and 1 reason only it is to disipate the gases that build up between the
    pad and the rotor which occurs under extreme heat ( when braking very
    aggressively like on a road course) and it has absolutely nothing to do
    with heat disipation. the only way to transfer more heat away is by
    using a larger heat sink which means use of a larger rotor whether in
    diameter or thickness. Since the caliper will only allow for a certain
    rotor thickness that solution is not very applicable because, if you are
    changing tha caliper opening width you might as well get a larger rotor
    diameter at that time

    1) The brakes don't stop the vehicle - the tires do. The brakes slow the
    rotation of the wheels and tires. This means that braking distance
    measured on a single stop from a highway legal speed or higher is almost
    totally dependent upon the stopping ability of the tires in use - which,
    in the case of aftermarket advertising, may or may not be the ones
    originally fitted to the car by the OE manufacturer.

    2) The brakes function by converting the kinetic energy of the car into
    thermal energy during deceleration - producing heat, lots of heat -
    which must then be transferred into the surroundings and into the air
    stream.

    The amount of heat produced in context with a brake system needs to be
    considered with reference to time meaning rate of work done or power.
    Looking at only one side of a front brake assembly, the rate of work
    done by stopping a 3500-pound car traveling at 100 Mph in eight seconds
    is 30,600 calories/sec or 437,100 BTU/hr or is equivalent to 128 kW or
    172 Hp. The disc dissipates approximately 80% of this energy. The ratio
    of heat transfer among the three mechanisms is dependent on the
    operating temperature of the system. The primary difference being the
    increasing contribution of radiation as the temperature of the disc
    rises. The contribution of the conductive mechanism is also dependent on
    the mass of the disc and the attachment designs, with disc used for
    racecars being typically lower in mass and fixed by mechanism that are
    restrictive to conduction. At 1000oF the ratios on a racing 2-piece
    annular disc design are 10% conductive, 45% convective, 45% radiation.
    Similarly on a high performance street one-piece design, the ratios are
    25% conductive, 25% convective, 50% radiation.

    3) Repeated hard stops require both effective heat transfer and adequate
    thermal storage capacity within the disc. The more disc surface area per
    unit mass and the greater and more efficient the mass flow of air over
    and through the disc, the faster the heat will be dissipated and the
    more efficient the entire system will be. At the same time, the brake
    discs must have enough thermal storage capacity to prevent distortion
    and/or cracking from thermal stress until the heat can be dissipated.
    This is not particularly important in a single stop but it is crucial in
    the case of repeated stops from high speed - whether racing, touring or
    towing.

    4) Control and balance are at least as important as ultimate stopping
    power. The objective of the braking system is to utilize the tractive
    capacity of all of the tires to the maximum practical extent without
    locking a tire. In order to achieve this, the braking force between the
    front and rear tires must be nearly optimally proportioned even with ABS
    equipped vehicles. At the same time, the required pedal pressure, pedal
    travel and pedal firmness must allow efficient modulation by the driver.

    5) Braking performance is about more than just brakes. In order for even
    the best braking systems to function effectively, tires, suspension and
    driving techniques must be optimized

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    BRAKE FADE
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    Brake fade ... what is happening to my stopping power ???

    there are a couple of causes of brake fade

    #1.)
    When the fluid boils in the calipers, gas bubbles are formed. Since
    gasses are compressible, the brake pedal becomes soft and "mushy" and
    pedal travel increases. You can probably still stop the car by pumping
    the pedal but efficient modulation is gone.

    #2.)
    Pad fade is when the temperature at the interface between the pad and
    the disc exceeds the thermal capacity of the pad, the pad loses friction
    capability due partly to out gassing of the binding agents in the pad
    compound. Pad fade is also due to one of the mechanism of energy
    conversion that takes place in the pad. In most cases it involves the
    instantaneous solidification of the pad and disc materials together -
    followed immediately by the breaking of bonds that releases energy in
    the form of heat. This cycle has a relatively wide operating temperature
    range. If the operating temperature exceeds this range, the mechanism
    begins to fail. The brake pedal remains firm and solid but the car won't
    stop. The first indication is a distinctive and unpleasant smell that
    should serve as a warning to back off.

    In either case temporary relief can be achieved by heeding the warning
    signs and letting things cool down by not using the brakes so hard. In
    fact, a desirable feature of a good pad material formula is fast fade
    recovery. Overheated fluid should be replaced at the first opportunity.
    Pads that have faded severely should be checked to make sure that they
    have not glazed and the discs should be checked for material transfer.
    The easy permanent cures, in order of cost, are to upgrade the brake
    fluid, to upgrade the pads, or to increase airflow to the system
    (including the calipers). In marginal cases one of these or some
    combination is often all that is required.

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    WARPED ROTORS - pictures are on the link
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    Directly from Stoptech ...

    The term "warped brake disc" has been in common use in motor racing for
    decades. When a driver reports a vibration under hard braking,
    inexperienced crews, after checking for (and not finding) cracks often
    attribute the vibration to "warped discs". They then measure the disc
    thickness in various places, find significant variation and the
    diagnosis is cast in stone.

    When disc brakes for high performance cars arrived on the scene we began
    to hear of "warped brake discs" on road going cars, with the same
    analyses and diagnoses. Typically, the discs are resurfaced to cure the
    problem and, equally typically, after a relatively short time the
    roughness or vibration comes back. Brake roughness has caused a
    significant number of cars to be bought back by their manufacturers
    under the "lemon laws". This has been going on for decades now - and,
    like most things that we have cast in stone, the diagnoses are wrong.

    With one qualifier, presuming that the hub and wheel flange are flat and
    in good condition and that the wheel bolts or hat mounting hardware is
    in good condition, installed correctly and tightened uniformly and in
    the correct order to the recommended torque specification,

    Here are more common problems found with rotors
    cracked discs, (FIGURE 1)

    discs that had turned into shallow cones at operating temperature
    because they were mounted rigidly to their attachment bells or top hats,
    (FIGURE 2)

    a few where the friction surface had collapsed in the area between
    straight radial interior vanes, (FIGURE 3)

    and an untold number of discs with pad material unevenly deposited on
    the friction surfaces - sometimes visible and more often not. (FIGURE 4)

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    THE NATURE OF BRAKING FRICTION
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    Friction is the mechanism that converts dynamic energy into heat. Just
    as there are two sorts of friction between the tire and the road surface
    (mechanical gripping of road surface irregularities by the elastic tire
    compound and transient molecular adhesion between the rubber and the
    road in which rubber is transferred to the road surface), so there are
    two very different sorts of braking friction - abrasive friction and
    adherent friction. Abrasive friction involves the breaking of the
    crystalline bonds of both the pad material and the cast iron of the
    disc. The breaking of these bonds generates the heat of friction. In
    abrasive friction, the bonds between crystals of the pad material (and,
    to a lesser extent, the disc material) are permanently broken. The
    harder material wears the softer away (hopefully the disc wears the
    pad). Pads that function primarily by abrasion have a high wear rate and
    tend to fade at high temperatures. When these pads reach their effective
    temperature limit, they will transfer pad material onto the disc face in
    a random and uneven pattern. It is this "pick up" on the disc face that
    both causes the thickness variation measured by the technicians and the
    roughness or vibration under the brakes reported by the drivers.

    With adherent friction, some of the pad material diffuses across the
    interface between the pad and the disc and forms a very thin, uniform
    layer of pad material on the surface of the disc. As the friction
    surfaces of both disc and pad then comprise basically the same material,
    material can now cross the interface in both directions and the bonds
    break and reform. In fact, with adherent friction between pad and disc,
    the bonds between pad material and the deposits on the disc are
    transient in nature - they are continually being broken and some of them
    are continually reforming.

    There is no such thing as pure abrasive or pure adherent friction in
    braking. With many contemporary pad formulas, the pad material must be
    abrasive enough to keep the disc surface smooth and clean. As the
    material can cross the interface, the layer on the disc is constantly
    renewed and kept uniform - again until the temperature limit of the pad
    has been exceeded or if the pad and the disc have not been bedded-in
    completely or properly. In the latter case, if a uniform layer of pad
    material transferred onto the disc face has not been established during
    bedding or break-in, spot or uncontrolled transfer of the material can
    occur when operating at high temperatures. The organic and semi-metallic
    pads of the past were more abrasive than adherent and were severely
    temperature limited. All of the current generation of "metallic carbon",
    racing pads utilize mainly adherent technology as do many of the high
    end street car pads and they are temperature stable over a much higher
    range. Unfortunately, there is no free lunch and the ultra high
    temperature racing pads are ineffective at the low temperatures
    typically experienced in street use.

    Therefore - there is no such thing as an ideal "all around" brake pad.
    The friction material that is quiet and functions well at relatively low
    temperatures around town will not stop the car that is driven hard. If
    you attempt to drive many cars hard with the OEM pads, you will
    experience pad fade, friction material transfer and fluid boiling - end
    of discussion. The true racing pad, used under normal conditions will be
    noisy and will not work well at low temperatures around town.

    Ideally, in order to avoid either putting up with squealing brakes that
    will not stop the car well around town or with pad fade on the track or
    coming down the mountain at speed, we should change pads before
    indulging in vigorous automotive exercise. No one does. The question
    remains, what pads should be used in high performance street cars -
    relatively low temperature street pads or high temperature race pads?
    Strangely enough, in my opinion, the answer is a high performance street
    pad with good low temperature characteristics. The reason is simple: If
    we are driving really hard and begin to run into trouble, either with
    pad fade or boiling fluid (or both), the condition(s) comes on gradually
    enough to allow us to simply modify our driving style to compensate. On
    the other hand, should an emergency occur when the brakes are

    cold, the high temperature pad is simply not going to stop the car. As
    an example, during the mid 1960s, those of us at Shelby American did not
    drive GT 350 or GT 500 Mustangs as company cars simply because they were
    equipped with Raybestos M-19 racing pads and none of our wives could
    push on the brake pedal hard enough to stop the car in normal driving.

    Regardless of pad composition, if both disc and pad are not properly
    broken in, material transfer between the two materials can take place in
    a random fashion - resulting is uneven deposits and vibration under
    braking. Similarly, even if the brakes are properly broken, if, when
    they are very hot or following a single long stop from high speed, the
    brakes are kept applied after the vehicle comes to a complete stop it is
    possible to leave a telltale deposit behind that looks like the outline
    of a pad. This kind of deposit is called pad imprinting and looks like
    the pad was inked for printing like a stamp and then set on the disc
    face. It is possible to see the perfect outline of the pad on the disc.
    FIGURE 5

    It gets worse. Cast iron is an alloy of iron and silicon in solution
    interspersed with particles of carbon. At elevated temperatures,
    inclusions of carbides begin to form in the matrix. In the case of the
    brake disk, any uneven deposits - standing proud of the disc surface -
    become hotter than the surrounding metal. Every time that the leading
    edge of one of the deposits rotates into contact with the pad, the local
    temperature increases. When this local temperature reaches around 1200
    or 1300 degrees F. the cast iron under the deposit begins to transform
    into cementite (an iron carbide in which three atoms of iron combine
    with one atom of carbon). Cementite is very hard, very abrasive and is a
    poor heat sink. If severe use continues the system will enter a
    self-defeating spiral - the amount and depth of the cementite increases
    with increasing temperature and so does the brake roughness. Drat!

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    PREVENTION
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    PREVENTION

    There is only one way to prevent this sort of thing - following proper
    break in procedures for both pad and disc and use the correct pad for
    your driving style and conditions. All high performance after market
    discs and pads should come with both installation and break in
    instructions. The procedures are very similar between manufacturers.
    With respect to the pads, the bonding resins must be burned off
    relatively slowly to avoid both fade and uneven deposits. The procedure
    is several stops of increasing severity with a brief cooling period
    between them. After the last stop, the system should be allowed to cool
    to ambient temperature. Typically, a series of ten increasingly hard
    stops from 60mph to 5 mph with normal acceleration in between should get
    the job done for a high performance street pad. During pad or disc
    break-in, do not come to a complete stop, so plan where and when you do
    this procedure with care and concern for yourself and the safety of
    others. If you come to a complete stop before the break-in process is
    completed there is the chance for non-uniform pad material transfer or
    pad imprinting to take place and the results will be what the whole
    process is trying to avoid. Game over.

    In terms of stop severity, an ABS active stop would typically be around
    0.9 G's and above, depending on the vehicle. What you want to do is stop
    at a rate around 0.7

    to 0.9 G's. That is a deceleration rate near but below lock up or ABS
    intervention. You should begin to smell pads at the 5th to 7th stop and
    the smell should diminish before the last stop. A powdery gray area will
    become visible on the edge of the pad (actually the edge of the friction
    material in contact with the disc - not the backing plate) where the
    paint and resins of the pad are burning off. When the gray area on the
    edges of the pads are about 1/8" deep, the pad is bedded.

    For a race pad, typically four 80mph to 5 and two 100mph to 5, depending
    on the pad, will also be necessary to raise the system temperatures
    during break-in to the range that the pad material was designed to
    operate at. Hence, the higher temperature material can establish its
    layer completely and uniformly on the disc surface.

    Fortunately the procedure is also good for the discs and will relieve
    any residual thermal stresses left over from the casting process (all
    discs should be thermally stress relieved as one of the last
    manufacturing processes) and will transfer the smooth layer of pad
    material onto the disc. If possible, new discs should be bedded with
    used pads of the same compound that will be used going forward. Again,
    heat should be put into the system gradually - increasingly hard stops
    with cool off time in between. Part of the idea is to avoid prolonged
    contact between pad and disc. With abrasive pads (which should not be
    used on high performance cars) the disc can be considered bedded when
    the friction surfaces have attained an even blue color. With the carbon
    metallic type pads, bedding is complete when the friction surfaces of
    the disc are a consistent gray or black. In any case, the discoloration
    of a completely broken in disc will be complete and uniform.

    Depending upon the friction compound, easy use of the brakes for an
    extended period may lead to the removal of the transfer layer on the
    discs by the abrasive action of the pads. When we are going to exercise
    a car that has seen easy brake use for a while, a partial re-bedding
    process will prevent uneven pick up.

    The driver can feel a 0.0004" deposit or TV on the disc. 0.001" is
    annoying. More than that becomes a real pain. When deposit are present,
    by having isolated regions that are proud of the surface and running
    much hotter than their neighbors, cementite inevitably forms and the
    local wear characteristics change which results in ever increasing TV
    and roughness.

    Other than proper break in, as mentioned above, never leave your foot on
    the brake pedal after you have used the brakes hard. This is not usually
    a problem on public roads simply because, under normal conditions, the
    brakes have time to cool before you bring the car to a stop (unless,
    like me, you live at the bottom of a long steep hill). In any kind of
    racing, including autocross and "driving days" it is crucial. Regardless
    of friction material, clamping the pads to a hot stationary disc will
    result in material transfer and discernible "brake roughness". What is
    worse, the pad will leave the telltale imprint or outline on the disc
    and your sin will be visible to all and sundry.

    The obvious question now is "is there a "cure" for discs with uneven
    friction material deposits?" The answer is a conditional yes. If the
    vibration has just started, the chances are that the temperature has
    never reached the point where cementite begins to form. In this case,
    simply fitting a set of good "semi-metallic" pads and using them hard
    (after bedding) may well remove the deposits and restore the system to
    normal operation but with upgraded pads. If only a small amount of
    material has been transferred i.e. if the vibration is just starting,
    vigorous scrubbing with garnet paper may remove the deposit. As many
    deposits are not visible, scrub the entire friction surfaces thoroughly.
    Do not use regular sand paper or emery cloth as the aluminum oxide
    abrasive material will permeate the cast iron surface and make the
    condition worse. Do not bead blast or sand blast the discs for the same
    reason.

    The only fix for extensive uneven deposits involves dismounting the
    discs and having them Blanchard ground - not expensive, but inconvenient
    at best. A newly ground disc will require the same sort of bedding in
    process as a new disc. The trouble with this procedure is that if the
    grinding does not remove all of the cementite inclusions, as the disc
    wears the hard cementite will stand proud of the relatively soft disc
    and the thermal spiral starts over again. Unfortunately, the cementite
    is invisible to the naked eye.

    Taking time to properly bed your braking system pays big dividends but,
    as with most sins, a repeat of the behavior that caused the trouble will
    bring it right back
     
  2. Aircon

    Aircon Ten Time F1 World Champ
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    Jun 23, 2003
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    Peter
    *sigh* After all these years, it's amazing what I still don't know!
     
  3. 308GTS

    308GTS Formula 3

    Dec 27, 2001
    2,223
    TN
    Thanks for the post. Good info. Any good recommendations to get 308 brake rotors besides T. Rutlands and the dealer. Brembo?
     
  4. velocityengineer

    velocityengineer Formula Junior

    Nov 8, 2003
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    Eric Dahl
    308GTS,

    We (Girodisc) are going to have a 2 piece replacement rear rotor for the 308
    early in '05. The front is too small to build a 2 piece unit, but we are building a front caliper/rotor kit that will use a 310 mm 2 piece disc.
    We have been delayed as we are working to fit a caliper under a 16" wheel currently.
    Expect to see pictures and pricing information just after the Holidays.

    Eric
     

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