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Discussion in 'F1' started by Chicko, Jun 4, 2009.

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  1. Chicko

    Chicko Formula 3

    Lets assume there is a breakaway series next year, and lets also assume that they are not going to get to race at any circuit that hosts a current F1 race (accept the ones stated with reasons). Lets see if we can build a list of F1 standard tracks which would be able to host in 2010 ( no historic, or dream tracks). Here's my quick attempt so far....


    Europe.

    Silverstone - GB (assuming F1 moves to Donnington)
    Mugello - Italy (The Italians will side with Ferrari if there is a breakaway, so Monza would still be possible.)
    Imola - San Marino
    A-1 Ring - Austria (owned by Redbull now)
    Jerez - Spain
    Magany Cours - France (Le-Mans Bugatti circuit is a possibility)
    Hockenheim / Nurburgring - Germany
    Brno - Czech Republic
    Algarve - Portugal (F1 tested there for 2009 - drivers loved it )

    Monaco - "Monaco" are independent, and have already pretty much said that they will side with Ferrari, so the series in which Ferrari race may see the Monaco GP.

    So only Spa would be needed to have the Euro Historic big 4 (Sliverstone, Monza, Monaco and Spa)



    Americas.

    Indianapolis Motor Speedway - USA (Any 2nd Venue in the states ??? Laguna Seca is fine for Moto Gp, F1's too ?)
    Circuit Gilles Villeneuve - Canada
    Autodromo Hermanos Rodriguez - Mexico
    Potrero de los - Argentina
    Autódromo Internacional Nelson Piquet - Brazil

    Asia.

    Losail International Circuit - Qatar
    Fuji / Motegi - Japan
    Dubai Autodrome - UAE


    South Pacific.

    Adelaide - Australia


    Anyone else have any to add, or feel some should be taken away ? Lets see if we can build a respectable 18 or 19 race calender.... over to your guys ;)
     
  2. VIZSLA

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    Why not include a certain track in Marranello Too? ;)
     
  3. Chicko

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    Hahaha, the grandstand there is a little on the small size ;)
     
  4. VIZSLA

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    Yeah but there are some good thru the fence viewing sites;)
     
  5. Il Vecchio

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    29 March - Australia (Mount Panorama)
    5 April - Mexico (Hermanos Rodriguez)
    19 April - Lybia (Tripoli)
    26 April - South Africa (Kyalami)
    10 May - Spain (Pedralbes)
    24 May - Monaco (Monte Carlo)
    7 June - France (Clermont-Ferrand)
    21 June - Great Britain (Brands Hatch)
    12 July - Germany (Nordschlieffe)
    26 July - Holland (Zandvoort)
    23 August - Austrian (Oesterreichring)
    30 August - Belgium (Spa)
    13 September - Italy (Monza: 1961 configuration, ie inc. Sopraleventata)
    27 September - Japan (Suzuka)
    4 October - Argentina
    18 October - Brazil
    25 October - Canada (St. Jovite)
    1 November - United States (Watkins Glen)
     
  6. Isobel

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    Ummm, Mont Tremblant is fine by me but not in late October. I know we're talking additional airfare costs, but I kindly suggest we schedule the Canadian and US GP's back to back in early/ mid June ;)
     
  7. cbstd

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    Miller Sports Park in... wait for it.... Utah! It is built to FIA specs and could host any kind of F1 race tomorrow.

    I would love to see a race at Laguna Seca or Willowsprings.

    Scott
     
  8. Chicko

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    Your list would be nice, but its mostly a "dream" list, the original question was to put together a a calender using circuits which "can host" an F1 race in 2010, i know off hand that half of your list could not, as there facilitys or safety is not up to F1 standards!
     
  9. RP

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    There was snow on the ground when I would arrive for the old Glen USGP in October. November is a bit late for North America.
     
  10. atomicskiracer

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    Im biased...but VIR in Virginia!!
     
  11. Isobel

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    +2000.
     
  12. TheMayor

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    I'm sorry for those in Singapore, Turkey and Malaysia but I have to tough time seeing why these markets are more important than Canada, Mexico, US, Argentina, or South Africa (as it's the only venue on the African continent). Also, Russia is more important than Hungary or Turkey.

    Right now, the Americas are under represented and Asia is overrepresented.

    My selection is more for economic reasons rather than nostalgia or political. These will get the biggest bang for the buck for the investments made.

    So, my view of countries (I can't say specific circuits) would be (not in any order);

    England
    Italy
    Germany
    Belgium
    Monaco
    France
    Spain
    Russia
    Canada
    US
    Mexico
    Brazil
    Argentina
    China
    Japan
    Bahrain
    Australia
    South Africa

    If the car companies and sponsors are going to invest, they have to believe their effort will be rewarded. I can't see Mercedes' advertising budget for Singapore being the same of what it spends in Russia. Given the cost to run a car in Russia are basically the same to run in Singapore, it's not a wise investment. If the racing is to remain healthy, the car companies and advertisers doing the investment have to believe they are getting a good return on their investment.

    Painful as it might be, the reality is that racing is a business and not just a sport. Bernie been running around getting countries to invest in F-1 facilities, thinking that the best facilities should make the best racing venues. But, he's losing sight that without the cars on the track, it doesn't matter how impressive the track is. Investers want to know that all the money they spend means something. As soon as they stop believing, the money dries up real fast. The only reason why Bernie wanted a night race was simply to try to reassure the investors that TV viewership would not disappear for that event.

    The solution of Bernie and Max to teams having financial problems -- cap budgets. The real solution is to grow the sport and increase the interest level. Money will flow where it has the biggest benefit.

    Formula one is not a charity. It's big business. Find a way to make more invest rather than make something less interesting under a rigid budget.
     
  13. SrfCity

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    These markets are Government sponsored venues. Probably huge kick backs to the leaders on the peoples' dime so that's why it flys.
     
  14. Bas

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    can't see that happening, at all...

    I love the track of zandvoort, I grew up right next door to it (litterally, open the front gate and there I was:)) but it will most likely not happen. The track is way to small, not wide enough. Needs to be at least a meter or two wider to make it interesting (overtaking wise). It's also impossible to get the sub 120K people in to zandvoort itself. The train station is way to small (it already struggles a lot when its that one sunny day holland has), it only has two roads going in and out of the town (no secret doorways, nothing), one of which is double lane and the other single each way. Accommodation? forget it.

    Nordschleife is way to bumpy, not going to happen either.

    Monza 1961 config, IIRC the banks have been demolished.

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    My list:

    Melbourne
    Sepang
    Shangai
    Bahrain
    Jerez
    monaco
    istanbul
    Gilles de villeneuve
    Las Vegas street circuit nightrace?
    silverstone
    hockenheim
    Circuit bugatti
    Monza
    Spa
    Imola
    Sao paulo
    Abu dhabi
     
  15. Chicko

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    Maybe my original post was not too clear, but the reason for making a breakaway calender is due to the fact that the FOM has said to have included in there contracts with the current circuits that they can not host another "premier open wheeled racing event". These terms would stop the breakaway racing being held at many of the circuits used by F1 in 2010... So in your list Melbourne, Sepang, Shangai, Bahrain, monaco, istanbul, Monza, Spa, Sao paulo and Abu dhabi would most likely not be legally allowed to host breakaway races!!
     
  16. Bas

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    Whoops sorry mate.

    What is considered a 'premier open wheeled racing event' though? Surely there must be a legal loophole? ;)
     
  17. Chicko

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    No problem, my original post was not so clear ! Well i guess it would cover Indy car possibly A1 gp and Breakaway series is under the same mold, so it too. its not really known the ins and outs of the various contracts the circuits have, but its common knowledge that many tracks do have some sort of restrictions in place.. I guess its just the FOM safe guarding ticket sales..
     
  18. TheMayor

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    Exactly my point. It's good for them. It's not good (or could be much better) for the manufactorers and sponsors.
     
  19. Il Vecchio

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    Hey, I'm a dreamer. I'm just tired of the antiseptic tracks and the ugly, over-techno'd cars. Most of my tracks mentioned are impractical or no longer existant. Sad.

    F1 lost my interest about the time that paddle shifters came into vogue, and/or when the 1.5L turbo's got zapped by boost/fuel consumption restrictions. I'm just (occasionally) watching out of pure inertia, plus the off chance that we may see some decent driving. Rubens' first win at Hockenheim comes to mind.
     

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