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BREAKING: Ferrari announce technical team shake-up after poor start to 2020

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  1. DF1

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    Arriva had Sergio over him. This issue was documented. Sergio did the team no favors and made Arriva job more difficult.
     
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  2. TonyL

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    Agree and these are the issues within the team, meddling from above. but who can sack the boss!!
     
  3. crinoid

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    #28 crinoid, Jul 22, 2020
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    Have you forgotten that during Dominicali they weren’t competitive?
    Have you forgotten in 2017 and 2018 they were competitive and could’ve possibly won! especially 2018?
     
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  4. DF1

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    The curse of the Ferrari team. Politics and leadership with the Press as an additional friend lol
     
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  5. TonyL

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    No on both counts, could've but didnt win anything.

    When Todt left with Brawn, (basically thrown out) the team was destined to be on a spiral path downwards whoever was in charge. Those very people are now at the FIA.

    Under SD the team won the 2008 season with KR, a lucky win but job done nonetheless. Red Bull dominance led to theeir demise over those years and now Merc dominance scuppered any chance thereafter. The team is the bridesmaid

    Binotto could not be credited with the SF70H (2017) but can take a round of applause for the SF71H (2018) but the SF90 & 1000 are a disaster. Since 2016 under Sanchez the aero work has let the car down massively. Ever since John Iley left 2010 ish then the aero dept has been poor.

    Best

    tony
     
  6. pilotoCS

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    Would Luca Montezemolo consider coming back in some kind of consultancy position? He knew how to organize people and foster a productive and happy work environment. I know, I know . . . . far fetched. But desperate times require it.
     
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  7. moretti

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    Expectations of Ferrari have always been high and people accusing Ferrari of having that "Italian" curse of chaos really are talking silly.

    All sports sack their coaches when the team fails continually, but it wasn't the coach that missed tackles or dropped the ball or did an own goal.

    We here on fchat are very critical of Ferrari pit stops, tyre decisions, etc but this isn't a team that has just turned up this year with NO previous data and just make decisions willy nilly.

    Sometimes a wheel nut will cross thread, a set of tyres will under-perform, a driver will make a mistake, **** happens, and it happens to all teams.

    Too many here have forgotten how well the team performed when Schuey was at his peak, even when mishaps occurred ....... it's a TEAM sport with the focus on the car AND driver but if the TEAM are not performing at their best then it all falls apart.

    Remember this :





    The second clip shows Ferrari are no dummies
     
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  8. moretti

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    Rory might help make the car better but even a great car with a poor engine will go nowhere
     
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  9. pilotoCS

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    That's hitting the nail on the head. Ferrari has to insist on being able to develop the engine. Make some good old fashioned Enzo Ferrari threats of leaving. I'm serious . . . They are Ferrari. F1 without Ferrari is diddly-squat doo-doo. I'm betting the people at Liberty know this. What has to be done is insisting the FIA do something for Ferrari. Make it clear that it's just not Ferrari but also HAAS and Alfa-Romeo that need the help.
     
  10. Igor Ound

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    I actually think it might be too good instead. In any case not too surprising Red Bull+Honda and Mercedes with their larger budget are able to put Ferrari in their place politics-wise and as a consequence on the track. And I wouldn’t want Ferrari F1 to move to UK either as a lot of the mystique behind the road cars would go too
     
  11. DF1

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    No need to move to UK. Italy is the heart of the company. No no no......
     
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  12. 375+

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    Hear, hear.
     
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  13. 375+

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    +1 absolute nonsense.
     
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    Well yes ‘could have’ won. That’s all a car can do is give a team the potential to win, competitiveness.

    Brawn and Todt should level the playing field. Period.

    2008 was won only just and it was by the leftover momentum the team already had. It was simply a juggernaut that took another year to die after it’s heads were chopped off.

    Mercedes needs to implode ASAP.

    Binotto is talented and spread too thin. He needs help with managing people, help with the high end behind the scenes politics at the top, and his talents need to be weighted in the technical side of things.
     
  15. 375+

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    To my mind 2008 was won at Spa with Kimi using KERS to fend off Fisi.
     
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    ...And Hamdashian sliding into the gravel trying to pit...
     
  17. Igor Ound

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    Just a thought, what if Ferrari’s spy wasn’t among the current engineers or the ones who jumped ship to Merc? Maybe somebody with close ties to Red Bull?
    One who has now to walk out the door?
    Who just turned around now?
    Cause he’s not welcome anymore?
     
  18. DeSoto

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    The leak happened a year ago, before Vettel was fired. He would be very stupid if he wanted to sabotage his own team.
     
  19. william

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    In short, you would like Ferrari to do what many accuse Mercedes of doing: having some political weight at the FIA.
     
  20. william

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    In 2019, Mercedes had a budget that was only marginally higher than Ferrari's.
    Red Bull's budget was about $100M behind Ferrari's.
     
  21. william

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    Any information that goes on a computer can be captured.
    I would look there first before starting another witch-hunt.
     
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    Arrivabene was pretty much like Briatore: he didn't know a sheet about the technical side of motorsports.
     
  24. Flavio_C

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    He bitterly left Ferrari because he was fired by the Marchionne but thought the Agnelli/Elkann would side with him. He said in an interview that "after working so many years to the "avvocato", I thought his grandchildren would at least say thank you to me".
     
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  25. william

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    That didn't seem to be a problem for Flavio or his employers.
    The teams under him pocketed 4 WDCs and 3 WCCs , and all of a low-cost budget !!!
    He may have been technically illiterate, and a rogue operator, but Briatore knew how to motivate at team.
     

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