Dear Chatmates I would like to know what to do if I want to change standard brakes to carboceramic in a F430, is it just buying then and installing or need another adjustments?
The small matter of about 40 grand You can probably find just the rotors for 25, but you'll obviously need all the other bits also (calipers, pads, handbrake machinery for the rear disks etc), I'd be surprised if this change was less than 40K. Pads are about 2K.
Um, I actually read somewhere that CCB's can be retro-fitted for far less than the $18k they cost at the factory..... Speak to Brembo or search on here, there is a post on it somewhere, I think written by Tarek.
Brembo does have a monster brake upgrade (non CCB) that should work for all but the most demanding applications for far less money.
Hey if you are talking about going from the CCM -> stock brakes on a 360 CS, it's not the brake lines that are the problem, its the wheel hub and brackets. You can however goto the Brembo Gran Turismo 15" front/rear kit that is specifically meant to go on CCM cars.
Here are some specs and comparisons of 1. stock 360 and 430 brakes, 2. the optional Brembo CCM, and 3. the Brembo GT kit *Also just a little jeopardy knowledge ~ Brembo actually designed the suspension for the 430 along with the brakes. The factory Ferrari Carbon Ceramic Matrix Brembo brake kit is available for around $35,000. The brand new Brembo Gran Turismo kit is a little bit heavier than the CCM's, but it is still ~16lbs lighter than stock. Also keep in mind that this kit is significantly larger than the CCM kit. Here are the prices: Front Total price is $3,995 Rear Total price is $4,995 ********* Also remember that all registered FerrariChat.com members get a 20% discount off of our labor rate when getting ************ ********* anything done to their vehicle (we offer upgrades to all exotic forms of transportation as well, not just Ferrari ************ Here are some specs: Front: GT: 15inch 2 piece floating rotor; 6 piston Monoblock caliper (larger than CCM caliper) CCM: ~13.75inch 2 piece floating rotor; 6 piston caliper stock: 13inch 1 piece rotor; 4 piston caliper (same as Ford Mustang Cobra) Rear: GT: 15inch 2 piece floating rotor; 6 piston Monoblock caliper CCM: ~13.5inch 2 piece floating rotor; 4 piston caliper stock: 13inch 1 piece rotor; 4 piston caliper (same as Ford Mustang Cobra) *a new GT rotor is $389 vs. the CCM which is ~$3500 *The rear is more expensive because it comes with hardware to maintain the factory parking brake. *You can choose either yellow/red/black/silver caliper's or custom color matched caliper's. *Your factory brakes are the exact same ones that came on the 360. However, with the 430 you have considerably more power where brakes upgrades are definitely suggested.
The factory Ferrari Carbon Ceramic Matrix Brembo brake kit is available for around $35,000. Is it just me or is $35k just a crazy number for brakes? $35k is practically the price difference between a regular 430 and the Scuderia. What the.....
Thanks for the info. I sometimes feel like selling the F430 and going for a CS, but the CCB are a no go.
Cheers for the info! I will prob need a brake upgrade from the steels, if I start tracking the 430. How would this work, if I just upgraded the fronts..? Am not bothered about look, just brake performance. Cheers Rob
Hello, Im new on the Fórum. Thanks for all of your information. I'd like to know if this BREMBO GT Kits fits in my F360Spider. I have the 18' original wheels. If it's possible, would you send it to Brazil? Do you have the estimative of costs to send it? Thanks
I upgraded my 430 to Brembo BBK front only, have driven it this way for over 3000 miles, works great on the road and the track.
If that is how you feel, your options will be very limited going forward. I think that a 430 with steel brakes will be looked at as an unfortunate anomaly in years to come
I am looking into this upgrade at the moment as well, as tracking my f430 has resulting in me going through a couple of sets of OEM pads and now rotors in a relatively short period of time. Another reason for considering this option is that they will actuall add (admittedly, only a VERY little bit) to the resale value when you sell, whereas aftermarket performance kits such as Novitec may actually hamper your resale value. The dealership advised that this is a fairly large upgrade including an instrument cluster reprogram to accommodate the disc wear software, rotors, calipers, pads, recalibration of the ABS unit. From what I've been told, the software upgrade is required because the rotors themselves will show no visible wear. So, there is a wear algorithm put into the dash. It takes ambient temperature, vehicle speed and deceleration G force and frequency to track the thermal stress subjected to the rotor and calculates wear. Cool, eh? I've also heard great things about the Brembo kits, and as for performance, the Novitec with 8 piston calipers can't be beat. Just considering all of the options. My thoughts, not yours, CG
Don't buy Brembo 8 pist kits for any car the new 6 pist monoblocks are far better,8 pist are very heavy and 6 pist monoblocks provide more braking power.
I was not aware that the Brembo CCB was available yet. The GTR(NOT GT BBK) is the best they have so far. If you want the very best CCB available for now it is STOPTECH. Much better than the Ferrari OEM CCB and much better than the Porsche CCB. The CCB rotors and pads are made by the absolute best mfg using cutting edge technology in the CC industry. The STOPTECH calipers are good and this complete CCB system as a whole is unbeatable....pricing I believe is around $14k but if you already have their calipers you can just upgrade with the CC rotors and pads. Pricing will continue to drop in the future as this will become more standard on high end mass produced cars. The weight savings are incredible and even the average driver will notice the difference in both braking and handling.
Also with the 8 piston, the circumference of each individual piston is smaller and thus provides less stopping power. More info straight from Brembo's website: Benefits of the Gran Turismo Brake System: * Proven on-track performance; * Disperses gasses, cleans pads for better bite; * Reduces usprung weight for better handling; * Provides maximum braking force without the flex of sliding callipers; * Reduces heat-related stress, increases brake performance and pedal feel; * Aggressive pads that last longer and provide the highest level of performance. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Or just click here: http://www.brembo.com/US/Racing/LatestNews/
I didn't jump this the other day but how do you figure this? The math doesn't work out that way. Heavier, is possible but less stopping power? 8 pistons should provide more even support behind the brake pads. Since the brake pads aren't perfectly rigid you should have a higher average force on the total swept area. The 8 pistons should also provide better heat transfer because the contact area is larger.
I don't have CCB's on my F430 but I do have them my Mercedes CLS63 and they are fantastic even for every day driving. If Brembo makes them for Mercedes, its the way to go for a Ferrari.
The number of pistons is just a marketing tool other companies use. 8 piston calipers are only used on heavier vehicle applications. Brembo would never put an 8 piston on a Ferrari because the response is not as quick and efficient as their 6 piston monoblocks. Also, Brembo is the only manufacturer that designs and builds every single part of their calipers in house (all other brake companies share parts).
