I spoke too soon about Jackie Stewart somone tell him to naff off! Triple champion Sir Jackie Stewart defended McLaren and said: "If an individual is operating independently, it is right that such clandestine behaviour should be punished on an individual basis." It is becoming more and more apparent that there is more than one individual involved AND that they have been in collusion.
very hard to get that piece of information thru some people's thick heads RD is a ^%$^#&@$ cheat , end of story
very hard to get that piece of information thru some people's thick heads RD is a ^%$^#&@$ cheat , end of story
Weight distribution is something you play with ALL the time, on the track and in computer models, in and of itself, it is NOT rocket science.
Sure it is, along with caster/camber/toe front and rear. There are a heck of a lot of combinations that need to be tried and limited amount of time. Computer simulations won't realy help much, you need to do the tests. The teams that already had experience with bridgestone tires almost certainly had an advantage knowing where to start looking for the right answer.
Interesting proposition and supported by this article comparing the performance of drivers with Bridgestone experience to those who only had experince with Michelins. http://www.itv-f1.com/Feature.aspx?Type=General&PO_ID=40027
So Ferrari didn't go to the FIA and say, "we are an upstanding sportsman like team and we have this flexible floor that we're using, can you please clarify if this is legal or not as the rules don't offer sound interpretation" Nope, they looked at it and thought, maybe we can get away with this, it is a bit dodgy but we'll say nothing and if we get caught we'll act dumb.
you're the only one wetpet, the rest of us are fully aware of everything going on PS Bernie's been confused since his calculator only went to 12 digits
I wonder if Briatore is similarly baffled by the FIA's decision regarding the illegal traction control his team ran in 1994?
Photographic evidence was produced that strongly suggested the use of traction control during the races but this was ruled insufficient. That the software was on the Benetton and was disguised as option 13 is not in question.
Those words come from an article about the traction control issue. Furthermore I will dig up the article as I believe it said the photographic evidence was pretty overwhelming. I was trying to avoid controversy by softening the language they used. Regardless, my point is rhetorical, I am not trying to open a debate about Benetton 2004, rather about selective outrage. Speaking of words, these words come from a moderator:
Guilty of violating #151- FACT No punishment. Makes no sense at all. Why have rules or a governing body if you wont enforce your own rules. Flavio is using the common sense theory about the above stated FACT. No matter the history, Mclaren is guilty. As I predicted earlier Mclaren would get off easily and the only person facing criminal sanction is a Ferrari employee.
Title race 'tainted' for McLaren says Watson Claims the FIA has brought the sport into disrepute F1 Live-com 30/07/07 10:30 John Watson critical of the FIA Former McLaren racer John Watson has characterised the remainder of the 2007 season as a lose-lose situation for the Woking based team. The 61-year-old Ulsterman, who won five Grand Prix before retiring in 1985, said that even if Lewis Hamilton or Fernando Alonso emerge from the espionage scandal with the championship, 'it will forever be tainted.' "There will always be that stain, that reservation with people asking if the information was used and how long the team had it," Watson told the Sun after McLaren last Friday were found guilty but not penalised by the World Council. Watson indicated that even he has reservations about his former team, for whom he spent five seasons starting in 1979, and finishing the 1982 drivers' standings in third. Referring to the spying scandal involving suspended chief designer Mike Coughlan, he said: "McLaren did not just have details about the car but also about how the team operates. "It was Ferrari's Bible. " Watson also accused the FIA of stirring more negative publicity by handing down such a controversial finding, with even usual Ferrari nemesis Flavio Briatore agreeing that McLaren should have paid the consequences having been found guilty. The verdict has also opened the very real prospect of a Ferrari appeal. Watson said of F1's governing body: "They haven't helped anybody. The FIA have done more to bring the sport into disrepute by not ending this."
I cant wait to hear all the excuses to be aired on this forum about this flashing tribute to the McCheater team. How about it Mr Senna...do you think you could possibly put this in your pipe and smoke it?
No excuses are necessary. John Watson is completely entitled to his opinion and I would welcome his input on these boards to further the discussion. Regardless of his conclusions, he still refers to his former team by their proper name. I am quite sure we would all enjoy discussing his thoughts with him should he wish to join us here. However, once one party to a debate reduces his arguments to merely lampooning or otherwise trivializing the other (i.e. referring to McLaren as McLiar or McCheater), all opportunity to engage in productive discourse has disappeared. Continuing a discussion on this basis is fruitless. For your reference:
pot kettle black, some people here descended all the way down to swearing and uncontrolled name calling ..... they must have had a limited vocabulary I am not defending 355's post, I think he should stop going after you too, but you are the last one here to point out someone else's faults
