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  1. 4rePhill

    4rePhill F1 Veteran

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    Yeah!, and they could all be made to use different engines every other race too! - That would spice up the racing! :rolleyes:
     
  2. william

    william Two Time F1 World Champ

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    I think you are !!!
     
  3. Bas

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    +1

    Same as brakes are free for any driver to choose (not even limited by team), for any race etc.
     
  4. NJB13

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    We all have our crosses to bear :)

    Just thinking on this, if we increase rim size then brakes will get much larger more efficient. I think this would disadvantage drivers who are skilled at late braking. To me that would be an unwanted consequence.
     
  5. subirg

    subirg F1 Rookie

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    Tire choice should be free from available compounds but there is absolutely no point having competing tire manufacturers as they have to build spec tires. So... The only decision to be made which company will pay Bernie more cash? Nothing else matters.
     
  6. Bas

    Bas Four Time F1 World Champ

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    I doubt that teams want larger brakes. Too much added weight in exactly the place you don't want it. Brake performance is limited by tires anyhow so there's not much to be gained in braking performance by going bigger. Also the aerodynamic effect will have a negative impact.
     
  7. NJB13

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    I would have thought you could get a much bigger pad contact area with spread without adding weight which would greatly increase braking efficiency. I seem to recall lots of radio comms on brake temps etc. But I may well have this one wrong.
     
  8. singletrack

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    They could just set a max brake size.

    I don't know I follow you on it being a disadvantage to the most skilled. I think you will still see the best guys make better use of whatever tools they are handed than those with less skill/ability.
     
  9. Neonzapper

    Neonzapper F1 Rookie

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    +1
     
  10. Remy Zero

    Remy Zero Two Time F1 World Champ

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    Pirelli can improve, but the FIA rules don't allow them to do so. I don't understand how bring another supplier to replace Pirelli, with the same set of rules are going to make any difference.
     
  11. NJB13

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    I would think if you make the brakes more efficient means everyone would be braking much later. That would take away the room to do anything our gain as much.
     
  12. singletrack

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    I gotcha. So you are thinking the overtaking opportunities in the braking zones would decrease because the total braking zone would get smaller. Interesting...makes sense.
     
  13. nerofer

    nerofer F1 World Champ

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    This is one of the reasons than time and again, some people advocate the return to steel brakes, this to have longer braking zones and more overtaking opportunities...

    Rgds
     
  14. classic308

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    this^

    Pirelli is doing that which it has been asked to do-blame the rule makers not the players.....
     
  15. 4rePhill

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    The problem with this whole: "have two tyre suppliers and let the teams choose which brand of tyre they want to use at each race" idea, is that what will happen is that after the first couple of races the teams will figure out which manufacturer has made the best tyres, and all of the teams will choose that manufacturers tyres, so they'll all be on the exact same rubber in the races yet again.

    Meanwhile, the other tyre manufacturer will be going to all the expense of hauling tyres around the World, knowing that nobody will be running them anyway.


    As for having a "tyre war" in F1, one of My main memories of the previous "tyre war" was watching races knowing that some drivers stood no chance of winning or even challenging for a podium because they were on the wrong brand of tyre!

    There wasn't any sort of direct, wheel to wheel battle between cars fitted with Bridgestones and cars fitted with Michelins. Basically the track at each race meet would suit one tyre manufacturer only, so if it didn't suit your suppliers tyres then you were just going to be nowhere in the race, no matter how hard you tried (Indianapolis being the most extreme example of this very issue).

    At least if they're all on the exact same make and type of tyre then no one is at a massive disadvantage due to the tyres being used!
     
  16. rizzo308

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    Bring back Michelin and b/stone and throw Pirelli in the mix and may as well bring back refuelling where pit crews had to be on there game.
     
  17. Bas

    Bas Four Time F1 World Champ

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    I find that pit crews have to be far more on the I game now than back then.
     
  18. 4rePhill

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    +1

    With pit-stops of @ 2.2seconds when stationary, the price to be paid for a sticking wheel nut, or a driver not stopping in the ideal spot, or dropping the car too early off the jacks is far greater than when they had 7~8 seconds to sort it all out.

    These days the pit crews are under massive pressure to be perfect every time!
     

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