Bring out the dead....

There is going to be a good Dino coming up for sale that I know about. I used to own it. #8246. Very solid low mileage car. About 24,000 miles. I believe it still has all the books and tools. Red/ black/tan daytona interior. Flawless interior. Flawless paint. Everything works like it should. Here is the downside to some: Non original flares, but exceptional job, Ferrari script on trunk lid, Ferrari horse on front grill and inlaid cavalino shields.totally professionally done and a few chrome pieces on engine. There was one original owner in Hollywood (Top Ten Music) or something like that. It then went to Colorado Spring for 20 years which is where I bought it. It then went into a collection in Utah where it's been living. No miles were put on it since I drove it last. Drives perfect and also has a Tubi exhaust and the USA side markers have been removed. It was at Bella Italia in 2003 and got the Dino award.

 

Holy overspray BatMan! ...must have been an Earl Scheib paint job...

 

Its beat... It needs a resto so bad. It looks like its all there though. These cars have gone up in value so much it is startling to see an example in such rough shape. Hopefully Jon wins the auction. It would be the best thing that ever happened to that car!

 

With the money he got by selling the stereo and speakers he was able to afford a paint job before putting it away for storage.

He even saved on new trunk carpet by getting it painted to match the body color.



I'm not sure that is overspray on the front left nose and the right rear quarter panel...might be a crinkled texture coming up from underneath with a brown tinge to it. Look at the rust on the chrome. Verne (of http://www.verneschromeplating.com/) told me that he had to be very careful when rechroming Dino bumpers, they are just tto thin to start with. If there is rust on the chrome, then it makes you wonder where else it is (I thought CA cars were supposed to be dry and rust -free?).

 

Pretty diverse set of climate regions in CA. Los Gatos isn't that dry.

 

The title of this thread is somewhat misleading.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grbSQ6O6kbs

 

$90k.

!!

 

I don't think many folks know what a real barn find really is. That car has had those sheets off and on, for years at a time. Stuff has been piled and stuffed on sides and on top. The wind has blowed and alternate dusts have settled. Not many signs of "overspray" to me other than a fool's quicky touch up and not many signs of recent rust. Smog gear is still there except for the idle microswitch. Looks like the seller unloaded the top stuff, pulled the sheets, wiped down some of the topsides with a dry towel and took the pictures. I put a large coolant header on my Dino when I was having water pump leakage problems and didn't know what I was doing. No penalty there.
If engine is basically OK, and I would be the judge, I would do compression, remove smog, clean up, pull cam covers for shop to set clearances, redo distributor, etc. I would also pull all trim and replace same after paint. Paint would not include pulling any glass. Here is where my $20K would go to get a good looking driver. Good for another 50-100,000 miles with good maintenance.

5 tires/alignment 700
Paint/chrome 6000
Carpet 300
seat centers 1000
Battery, Hoses 300
Cams 500
Beer 400
Misc. unexpected 11800

Go back and read my initial requirements for the $20K number.
John

 

This really looks like overspray to me:
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That is overspray by a complete fool with a spray can. It will all wipe off since it is over so much dust. Except the trunk carpet. Thank God he quit when he did. I was looking at doors and rockers. Some rust at back of removeable top. I expect all top surfaces to be all scratched but does not look like major dents and pictures do not seem to show large patches of rust on top surfaces. Improbable anyway. If primer is still OK, easy repaint. If not, not too bad repaint.
John

 

It does look like a spray can repaint!

 

Hey. I live in Los Gatos . get me an address and I'll check it out. I use to have a 72 246 GT so I'm familiar with these critters. I'm not interested in a restoration project .. been there, done that.

 

Certainly going to end up north of $100K, well north I suspect, which is no bargain.

John C.. Not to take issue with you on pricing, but most of your $20K costs are based on facts not in evidence. If the motor is a real mess, it alone could end up north of $20K if you're not a do-it-yourself kind of guy.

$6K for paint? Only if there's no rust that needs any kind of metal work.

No allowance for brakes? You gonna drive a car with brake lines and calipers that haven't been used in anger since before 1988? Suspension and bushings? I know I lean a bit towards overspend and make the car a great one, but in this day and age taking a car like this and making it a "driver" is till going to be VERY expensive.

And last but certainly not least. $400 for beer??? I'm thinking more like $2-3K for a complete bar setup stocked right so you can better enjoy the experience.

For sure, there's not going to be any room to make money on this car when done. You gotta buy it for the love, not the money.

DM

 

I think DM is being conservative.


Hey John, didn't you recently say this? the SEARCH engine shows your words:
http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showpost.php?p=137352151&postcount=37

Under $10,000 for nice cosmetic repaint with only minor body work. Twice that for serious restoration.
Engine rebuild with no broken large pieces under $20,000.
Suspension maybe $5,000, not much goes wrong.
Interior under $10,000.
Depends on you. You have to be sure that each shop has done VERY FINE work before. Look carefully at their finished work and the cleanliness of their shops. All much cheaper if you do some work yourself.
John



PS - More costs? Yes, the list will grow.
Rutlands sells the correct expansion tank for $550.

Chroming is going to be $thousands if done right - if done wrong they'll be ruined by cutting through the thin metal. This is not my conjecture, but what experts who have rechromed Dinos have warned me.


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Guys,

This might sound crazy to you--but a restoration in South Africa may be the answer. We have three excellent restorers here, two of whom are Ferrari approved. We have a weak currency, and it may just be worthwhile looking at the shipping costs and the currency conversion to see whether it isn't cheaper to get a good job done at a much lower cost than in the US or Europe.

On the air filter--mine is also chrome, and I wonder if that was ever an alternative in those days--or just another weird thing people did then.

James

 

John with all respect I think spend that money in the car is trowing away money..

My point is if you get a car in that state you have the only solution to strip it out and do a full restoration. I see a lot o people spending just a few bucks and at the end they don't have a restored car either a car, they a have a car with a pinguimg suit.

I don't have many pictures from the "before" online but my dino was 10 times in better shape and I don't regret what I have done or spend on it.

http://picasaweb.google.com/MigGonPt/Ferrari

Mig

 

You could be right, but I don't think it is a scam. While he is not misreprepresenting the car, he does dodge any real details on its current state which is almost as bad. I consider "condition" to be the most important part of an eBay auction for buyers. I've been on eBay for years and one thing that I've noticed is that the seller has used enough "tricky wording (legalese)" to focus on getting paid yet protect himself while not disclosing very much about the condition.
A few red flags show up.


When the seller listed the auction he filled out the "Vehicle Information" area in the eBay ad as "Inspection: Order an independent inspection" but then the seller isn't showing the car
So how is an inspection going to happen? The seller has been on eBay for over 10 years and knows the ropes, yet hasn't had the car eBay inspected. This would be very bad for the buyer in a court of law, as he could claim the buyer was offered the opportunity to have the car inspected by an independent third party but declined to do so, leaving the buyer as at fault.

"I am listing this car for a friend..."
Gosh those ebay ads sure show how mankind is generous to his neighbor.

He purchased the car in 1977 and it was in much better condition
and the condition that the car is in today?

"Back around 1988 my *then* boss picked up the car on a flat bed car hauler ... then returned it as his offer did not meet the asking price"
Let me understand this correctly, the seller didn't care to resolve the price before he let a potential buyer take it, do what he wanted to it and return it?
So now a third party could have affected the condition withiut the knowledge of the seller and tghe buyer is taking all responsibility for this condition?

...That's the last time it ran as far as I know.
Another disclaimer ...I know nussing..." (use Sargent Shultz voice here)

If you bid and win, don't plan to just pop by for a "look-see" they need the car gone asap.
Phrased another way, plan on paying before finding out the condition

The title reinforces the idea
"1974 Ferrari Dino 246 GTS Stored Since 1980 Sold As Is


And then those questions with the answers posted. I noticed he didn't post the question I asked about rust.
Q: Can I make an appointment to see the car.
A: She is not showing the car.

Q: May I look come look at the car before bidding ends? Thanks.
A: She is ill, cannot show car.


Q: Hi, Does the car come with any books/tools/service records? Thanks
A: Radio, Bra & tool kit,, removed years ago...

Q: does the car have its owners books and toolset?
A: Radio, Bra & tool kit,, removed years ago...does not have any.

Interesting way to answer questions for a seller that is obviously eBay saavy.



If you won the auction and received something far less in value for your $90,000.00+, what position would you be in?
Again, I disagree with your thought that the seller is a scammer, then again the ad isn't completely on the up and up and he is not going to let anyone see it who might broadcast this critical information to other buyers.

 

I believe this auction is not a scam. I used to own a 1972 Honda 600 (about 15 years ago) and this seller is a early Honda (before Honda Civic era) expert. As people whom I call expert is wealth of knowledge of certain type/model of car and this seller will share/exchange his knowledge. I don't think this type of people would involve with a scam. Well, I could be wrong....

 

Agreed. Look at the bidding history.
Bids were up to $100,000.00 last night, but the bidder was a zero feedback buyer and today he ejected 2 bidders.

 

I saw the power seller status and the fact that he was a one make and model specialist. I thought the sellers ID may have been stolen oe faked.

This is interesting.

 

Hmmnnn I hope its not the seller bidding it up.....

 

If the guy's doing a favor for someone less internet savy by listing the car for her/him, then he could probably care less what the thing brings and is putting minimal effort into the sale. He's probably also being hounded with the same questions over and over again and doesn't want to hassle with showing the car in person -- just my two cents.

As far as the car being falsely represented or similar is silly. Any bidder going into this one knows the conditions: basically, you're bidding on what you see in the photos and presumably the description. Is it a crapshoot? A huge one, I think, despite the car looking fairly solid. But any bidders have to factor all this into what they're willing to pay -- or if they're even willing to bid at all.

Should be interesting to see how it turns out.