This is getting quite weird. The FIA took all teams' reports and said ''yeah cool I totally believe what you submitted". So...they only investigated Red Bull?! This is 10 months...10! since the championship ended, deadline was March...they've been sitting on this since March and investigated 1 team?! Image Unavailable, Please Login
Ive not given an exact figure, just SPECULATION. over spend either 0.2 MM rear wing on one side opps sorry 1 euro or 100 million is irrelevent.
STILL deflecting !!!! This is hilarious !!! I accept that Red Bull went over-budget by 1% or less, MOSTLY on catering. I will also accept the fines and penalties imposed on Red Bull by the FIA. For the FOURTH time: Will you accept the fines and penalties imposed on Red Bull by the FIA? They wrote the rules, after all, including the fines for over-spending. If you need to wait until Mercedes responds to the fines imposed, before you comment ... just say so!!
Yeah, this is political sideshow ... nothing more. The FIA accepts the reports submitted by all the teams at face value, with no independent audit or 3rd-party review. And yet, they wait 10 months to report their "findings"?? For all we know, Red Bull was the only team to actually submit an HONEST accounting of their expenses! (It is quite amusing, though, to watch the Mercedes fans hang on to every word of this over-blown drama, as perhaps the last chance to make Hamilton the 2021 WDC )
FIA didn't investigate RBR either. If you recall, Horner said there were interpretations they'd made that differ from the FIA. I would guess the initial figure of the overspend was higher, and they've whittled it down, but the result is still an over spend.
I rarely agree with the fias / stewards decisions, i dont expect that to change any time soon. I also dont get your obsession with merc, last time i checked, and according to the fia no one but redbull broke the financial regs, no matter how much you keep claiming they did, as for the findings, i believe William told you alrdy.. Post 341 ill quote for you You are the ine trying to deflect....... Just except your team and driver are cheats and a disgrace to the sport. Ok not drivers, they dont control the spending
https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/formel-1/fia-budget-deckel-buchpruefung-red-bull-fragen-antworten/ According to sources, the point of contention is how Adrian Newey is on the payroll. According to Red Bull, he is 1 of the three big earners, however, according to the FIA, he is a so-called ZZP-er. (self-employed without staff) In fact, Newey is affiliated with Red Bull on a consultancy contract.
I agree. Formula One should be a technical show case of the highest and best technology - and there fore it will be expensive. the other main driver is salaries - and the teams can figure that out together but again it stifles creativity. the best costs $$$$ the cost cap is really un enforceable - other than suing in court -and getting the lawyers involved - which they will love ... but it does not do much for the racing. I cant even call it a sport any more.
But yet ... you "agree" with the FIA's budget cap ... you "agree" with their conclusion that Red Bull over-spent ... but you don't expect to "agree" with their fine/penalty Thank you for FINALLY answering ... your answer pretty-much says it all.
I have to believe Red Bull thought its submission was legal. Their accountants are not Murray and his brother in Brixton... its some major company like Anderson or what ever they call themselves.... there is going to be a liability on their side etc... this is tailor-made for lawyers ... maybe that can be a separate show... like Judge Judy-... the teams show the legal proceedings too... commentary etc... that will spice up Drive to survive.
If true that explains the delays. Delays over catering LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL What a mess. RedBull all the glory and the bad budget news in 1 day. Hilarious. F1. Such a .......................something it is lol.
It already did. Horner was on camera threatening legal proceedings during Singapore with the Netflix trash camera on. The absurdity of this now being a 'reality show' is beyond idiotic. Porsche must so pleased to have forgotten F1 ............for now.
The other teams are going to have alot of interesting 'fun' with this issue!! https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/why-red-bulls-f1-rivals-see-its-minor-breach-as-anything-but/10383102/ Why Red Bull's F1 rivals see its "minor" breach as anything but The FIA's announcement that Red Bull was guilty of busting Formula 1's cost cap limit last year has confirmed the worst fears of its main rivals. By: Jonathan Noble Oct 11, 2022, 12:58 PM But what is crystal clear is that while the labelling of Red Bull's overspend has been officially classified as a "minor" breach, its opposition sees it as anything but a small matter. To be classified as a "minor" offence rather than a "material" one, teams must have overspent by less than 5% of the allowance. So with last year's cost cap being roughly $145 million, that could still be up to $7.25 million. There has been no confirmation from the FIA or Red Bull about the scale of the breach, but there have been plenty of suggestions it is somewhere between $1 million and $2 million. That may seem quite a small amount of money in the grand scheme of things, but when it comes to development budgets, extra spending like that ultimately makes a big difference. Lewis Hamilton has made reference to just $500,000 more development money being unlocked for Mercedes last year as enough to allow it to bring a new floor design, which would have lifted the pace of his car to potentially change the outcome of the title chase. As his team boss Toto Wolff said at the Singapore GP: "If it is a so-called minor breach, I think the word is probably not correct. "If you're spending 5 million more, and you're still in the minor breach, it still has a big impact on the championship. "To give you an idea, we obviously monitor closely which parts are being brought to the track from the top teams every single race - 2021 season and 2022 season. "We can see that there are two top teams that are just about the same and there is another team that spends more. So we know exactly that we're spending three and a half million a year in parts that we bring to the car. And then you can see what difference it makes to spend another 500,000 - it would be a difference. Image Unavailable, Please Login Toto Wolff, Team Principal and CEO, Mercedes AMG Photo by: Steve Etherington / Motorsport Images "We haven't produced lightweight parts for the car in order to bring us down from a double-digit overweight because we simply haven't got the money. So we need to do it for next year's car. "We can't homologate a lightweight chassis and bring it in, because it's just $2 million that we will be over the cap. So you can see every spend more has a performance advantage." It is this trade-off between spending and performance that top teams have had to juggle under the cost cap era, and that is why the overspending of a rival is such a big matter for them. Ferrari in particular has called several times for maximum sanctions given out. The team believes it is the only way to ensure that squads robustly follow the cost cap in the future and aren't encouraged to game the system by trading off an overspend to secure richer rewards than any punishment dished out will cost them. Ferrari has said nothing publicly since the FIA's statement on Red Bull's breach, but it is understood the team's stance remains unchanged, and that it wants financial breaches to be treated as strictly as technical infringements where cars are disqualified if parts a few millimetres out. For Red Bull's main rivals, perhaps even more important than any potential sanction being handed is that there is complete transparency in how the case is handled. So far, the FIA has offered little insight into the scale and motives of the Red Bull breach, and that lack of information for such a big topic has inevitably triggered wild speculation. Was Red Bull's procedural and minor overspend the result of a small paperwork delay and innocent spending – such as a subsidised canteen at Milton Keynes, sick pay and gardening leave payments – being unexpectedly added on to the team budget by FIA interpretations and pushing it over the limit? Or has there been some deliberate attempt to fudge paperwork, block investigations and deliberately find ways around the cost cap to ensure that Red Bull can spend more on car development than its rivals? Red Bull's "surprise and disappointment" at being accused of breaching the cost cap would suggest it was more the first case. However, without firm answers, rivals' suspicions will inevitably fear it could be the second. That is why it is essential, as much for Red Bull as for the rest of the grid, that the FIA explains things in detail, and does not go down the route of secret backroom deals. Image Unavailable, Please Login Sergio Perez, Red Bull Racing RB18, 2nd position, Charles Leclerc, Ferrari, 3rd position, in Parc Ferme Photo by: Steven Tee / Motorsport Images F1's financial regulations are actually clear in how they require the FIA to publish details of the decisions made in relation to rule breaches. Read more about the F1 cost cap saga : What happens now with F1's cost cap rule breakers? FIA: “Too much talk” and “wild speculation” on F1 cost cap 2021 Mercedes financial numbers reflect "painful" F1 cost cap Brown: “Critically important” F1 cost cap must be policed like technical rules Hamilton: Mercedes title hopes in 2021 held back by team sticking to F1 cost cap Formula 1 cost cap: What is it and how does it work? Why F1 faces cost cap "game over" risk on results day Ferrari: Minor F1 cost cap breach worth 0.5s per lap If teams choose to go for an Accepted Breach Agreement, where it owns up and takes responsibility for breaking the rules, then the matter will be released. Article 6.32 of F1's financial regulations states: "The Cost Cap Administration will publish a summary of the terms of the ABA, detailing the breach, any sanctions, and any enhanced monitoring procedures, omitting any Confidential Information." Even if the team chooses to take the matter on and go in front of judges so it can plead its case, then equally the final judgement will be made public. Article 7.27 of the rules states: "The Cost Cap Adjudication Panel will publish the decision of the judging panel and the grounds upon which they are based, save for any Confidential Information." But while these offer some hope of answers for Red Bull's rivals about the scale and scope of what happened, and the FIA's responses, they still open the door for the governing body to try to play matters down. For now, Red Bull's rivals are holding a watching brief and awaiting the next steps. As Ferrari team principal Mattia Binotto said at the weekend: "I think what we need and what I'm expecting is full transparency and clarity on the discussions that may have happened." And if that is not forthcoming, then the FIA risks an even bigger controversy in the future. Make any sanction too weak, or leave other teams unclear about the details of the cost cap breach by keeping things too secret, and trust in the whole system will break down very quickly. That would then threaten the very existence of the cost cap which has been viewed as a core element of F1's long-term health.
One does not need an 'enhanced'(lies and mis-construed) situations to have reality. Without Netflix the F1 show is interesting. Max for the longest did not want to be on this 'show'. Im sorry he has now reconsidered from what Ive read. The tractor on the circuit was all 1 needs to see we have real situations. But the mass not caring about F1 public needs such trash to find the series further interesting it appears. Given the FIA's own actions/lack of actions we dont need NetFlix lol
Before Monday's report by the FIA, Toto Wolff was declaring ... quite emphatically, quite factually ... that Red Bull overspent "massively", and that their "massive overspending" was an "open secret" in the paddock. All related to car development, of course After Monday's report by the FIA, Toto Wolff finds himself trying to re-define words: now, "minor" (FIA) = "massive" (Wolff) And, of course, Toto is clinging to this absurd notion that extra dollars ... spent anywhere ... translate directly to improved performance (if this nonsense were true, every team that spent the exact same dollars would have the exact same performance on track ) Sounds like Toto is not only back-pedaling, big-time ... but maybe laying the groundwork for a possible future defense Hey ... Mercedes can't win on the track anymore, maybe they can still "win" on news networks and social media!!
Can you make a single post with out mentioning Merc...... Its almost like you are trying to derail the thread and turn it from the budget cap enforment / redbull braking cap, to a relentless crap talk of Merc..... Go to the Merc thread if you cant control your Merc obsession.
Did I hurt your feelings? PLENTY of posts in this thread about Mercedes, other than mine. Maybe because they were the loudest (before Monday, that is) with their defamatory claims about the subject of this thread?
No just find your constant attempts at derailing the thread and your whataboutery and your obvious trolling a breach of the forums rules
Posts about Mercedes are de-railing a thread about the F1 budget cap? This whole topic is in the headlines because of Mercedes! Your endless defense of Mercedes is boring ... so, i'll put you on ignore. Please do the same with me.
No the topic is because of the budget cap enforcment because REDBULL not MERC broke them, I have no need to defend Merc about breaking the financial regs, Because they havent been found in breach of them, Read the FIA press release. No mention of Merc, See??
