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  1. Tcar

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    #101 Tcar, Feb 12, 2014

    You wouldn't have flown willingly in a Bell P-39 Airacobra or P-63 Kingcobra in WWII, I guess.

    Much, much larger engine, prop and longer driveshaft...

    Maybe that's why we gave a lot of them to the Russians.
     
  2. Bob Parks

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    #102 Bob Parks, Feb 12, 2014
    The driveshaft from the engine to the reduction gearbox on the P-39 and P-63 was straight through with no CV joints. It was huge in diameter and there was never a problem with them that I knew about. The Russians loved them because they were used as an extension of the Infantry and used them for tank busting and strafing.
     
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    #103 tazandjan, Feb 12, 2014
    Bob- Believe it or not, the P-39 and P-63 were very successful in air to air combat for the Russians. A common old wive's tale is that they were used only for ground attack. One reason for the aerial engagement success is that most of the engagements were at fairly low altitude, where the Allisons worked very well.
     
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    #104 Gatorrari, Feb 12, 2014
    Absolutely! Alexander Pokryshkin, the second-ranking Soviet ace (59 confirmed kills) preferred the P-39 and got most of his kills while flying it.
     
  5. Bob Parks

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    #105 Bob Parks, Feb 12, 2014
    Thanks Taz and Jim. I knew that they were a successful fighter at the lower altitudes. I was pointing out that they also liked its use as an arm of the Russian army...sort of aerial artillery. I watched many P-39's at Sarasota Airbase during the war in 1942 and they obviously demanded careful airspeed monitoring when they were in the pattern and landing. Some of the guys flying them at that stage of the war were not the best material and occasionally abused the AOA and speed. They could drop like the proverbial streamlined brick.
     
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    #106 James_Woods, Feb 12, 2014
    Chuck Yeager has a chapter in his autobiography about his affection for the P-39 going back to his intermediate training days. For one thing, he claims that it was an outstandingly stable gun platform - and Yeager always said that marksmanship was more important than aerobatic ability in combat flying.

    He did mention the military humor about the P-39: "If you crash one of these, you are going to get ALLISON stamped all over your butt".
     
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  7. Bob Parks

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    #107 Bob Parks, Feb 12, 2014
    I knew a P-38 ace who trained with Yeager on P-39's in Tonapah, Nev. and he said that it was a good little airplane and purposely tumbled it just for fun. He told me about shooting up the town water tank in a P-39 by mistake one day. Later on he shot down 5 FW-190's in less than 10 minutes.
     
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    #108 James_Woods, Feb 12, 2014
    Bob!!! Shot up the town water tank - BY MISTAKE???

    I can just hear the little post-flight briefing on that one...

    BTW - when such a man can shoot down 5 FW-190s in a single mission with a P-38, I am reminded that Yeager was right...it is more about aiming the guns than it is about flying the world aerobatic championship.
     
  9. Bob Parks

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    #109 Bob Parks, Feb 12, 2014
    I can't verify the story but there is no reason to now. The man to whom I refer was returning from a gunnery practice and making mock runs on things. He came over town and drew a bead on the water tank and pulled the trigger. The arming switch that he thought was turned off was not. The 20mm cannon had one round in the chamber and he nailed the wooden tank dead center. When I asked him what he did, he said that he made a 90 deg. turn, hit the deck and made a low level high speed run in the opposite direction and then came in quite quietly and heard about somebody shooting up the water tank. I have found no reason to doubt this story because Larry was not the average fighter pilot. I have told his story in my book and I have seen his photos, medals, and have flown with him. In telling me how he shot down 5 FW-190's in such a short time it sounded more like gunnery and split second responses from peripheral vision. He loved a good fight.
     
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    #110 James_Woods, Feb 13, 2014
    Damn straight, Bob.
     
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    #111 boxerman, Feb 13, 2014
    The bug aircraft is a thing of beauty, but you have to wonder. In the 30's through 50"s there was a very different concept of safety and risk, so if no one was willing then, you have to be kinda nuts to try fly it now. I mean in the 30's you found people wanting to fly a Bee Gee.

    One big difference the motors used now must weigth 100's of pounds less, which shoudl make things a little easier. I assume there are some Rc models flying, so at least there is some theory to it working. Even if it does fly, i imagine its going to be tricky and not beningn near the edge.
     
  12. Bob Parks

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    #112 Bob Parks, Feb 13, 2014
    He told me how he got the first victory. When he entered the fight, he arrived after a long shallow dive from several miles away. When he arrived he was below 2000 ft. and " I caught an FW in the corner of my eye coming in from the left and I gave a burst. As it crossed in front of me it disintegrated and I had to fly through the debris." He then went into a series of loops and shot down 4 more. He said that his airplane was covered with damage from flying through "so many pieces".
     
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    #113 teak360, Feb 13, 2014
    Given the bike engines have integrated gearboxes, and the Bugatti's gearbox looks like it's running about a 2:1 reduction, it seems like a combination that could be very workable.
     
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    #114 Tcar, Feb 14, 2014
    Try Gee Bee... for Granville Brothers. :)

    The Bee Gees were something else entirely... for Barry Gibb... :) :)
     
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    #116 teak360, Mar 17, 2014
    I thought Dave Morrs was signed up?
     
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    #117 James_Woods, Mar 17, 2014
    I don't know - it was said partly in jest.

    I still think it is just asking for a serious incident at the very least.
     
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    #118 LakeFlyer, Oct 15, 2014
    You need to mix rudder and stabilizer like as V tail. Need to use 3 servos for rc airplane. In real model this system is more complex with one par of cable for rudder and other for V-tail mix with links like as bonanza V-35
     
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    #121 nathandarby67, Aug 6, 2016
    Awful.
     
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    #122 Sfumato, Aug 6, 2016
    RIP. Very saddened by this news. Pretty amazing effort. Labor of love. Hope family will be ok.
     
  23. Bob Parks

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    #123 Bob Parks, Aug 6, 2016
    I don't want to sound coarse about this endeavor but it never looked right from the beginning. It was more of an artistic expression than a serious aerodynamic design. It never would have been a successful airplane much less a fighter. Sorry that someone had to die in this reincarnation. My thoughts.
     
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    #124 JCR, Aug 6, 2016
    As with the cars. Art over Engineering.
     
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    #125 dmaxx3500, Aug 6, 2016
    sad,r.i.p.
     
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