Busted through 5 figure$ on my 360 service

That being said I might not have the dealership papers to go with if I ever sold my car. But everything has been documented thur Fchat and my IG page.

 

I also maintain my F430 and am OCD to a fault. I do a way better job maintaining my cars and toys than any dealership would. When I did my first oil change on my 430 I was pissed at how many mismatched 10mm bolts were holding the belly pan on. Some bolts had washers, some didn’t. Some were painted, some were not, and some were rusted. My car was maintained by an Indy before I bought it.

I went to the trouble to buy all matching bolts and washers, and painted them black before installing them. Clearly the previous mechanic didn’t care because “who’s gonna see them, they’re under the car.”

I also know my limitations and will not try to install a new clutch when that time comes.


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Well me too but just be aware thats not enough for a lot of people.

 

Would never want my car to go to someone that only looks at those things, Yes might be a little loss . I'm ok with that. But its a so a well sorted 360 and only getting better as we speak

 

You are wrong. Those people are out there. I have worked with many. You have just not bothered to find them. You wrongly prefer to think they do not exist. Makes you feel superior.
Having not chosen the correct service providers in the past is your fault, not theirs.

 

Its not a matter of only looking at those things. Its a matter of having a method of cutting through the crap and finding a good car, or a good employee or all kinds of stuff. Various factors exist that suggest what you are getting. A good employee usually does not come with a lengthy criminal record. So you just reject them from the list. May not be 100% accurate but most of the time it is so it helps shorten the list. In the modern era with more complex cars than in the past an owner maintained car is more often than not not a great sign. So it gets scratched from most lists. Fair? 100% right? No but it dramatically reduces the work load and cuts a lot of cars that would probably be cut anyway without wasting a bunch of time.

 

its something I have wondered about! since day 1 I had no intention of having my car serviced anymore than absolutely necessary and how that would affect resale should that day ever come. I am documenting my work thoroughly.

you get an error code:

you take your car to a dealer/independent and you expect them to have a knowledge base on how to solve that code efficiently and effectively. On the other hand, a DIYer typically has no basis to solve that and it becomes a research project and some trial and error.

on the other hand, look at the under car photos on BaT. doesn't matter if it's a $50k Ferrari or a $1million McLaren, what does happen to all those screws holding the undertray on??? I posted that is "par for the course for cars" and got ridiculed. the photos speak for themselves!

my car is another example of how things did not get put back together as originally assembled.

 

I'm sorry, but that statement is just wrong. It has nothing to do with "being able to afford" to get work done. I live in the country, by choice. Why on earth would I spends hundreds or thousands to ship my car off somewhere to get an oil change when I could do it in my garage in under an hour? For the piece of paper? Would spending $50k on maintenance over the life of my car so it keeps a value of $20k over what it would have been make sense?

I understand it's personal preference and I'll never fault anyone for taking their car somewhere...I got my annual done by a tech the first year I had it just so it could get a once-over...but the equipment I work on daily rivals the cost of an Enzo with more complexity, so working on a car isn't that big of a deal...and trust me, there are no shortcuts taken. And trust me, I've seen plenty of mistakes and shortcuts taken by professionals...

 

Agree with all of this

 

The amount of improperly set and adjusted timing belts on 360's I have seen in the last few months is rather troubling. Honestly I get more failed DIY's towed in then any thing else. Most are due attempted F1 system repairs and electrical gremlins which are difficult to solve without an adequate scan tool.

That said..there are indeed plenty of basic maintenance items that any semi mechanicaly inclind owner can accomplish. I would never discourage those repairs.

What I have found is many try to bite off more then they can chew and wind up costing themselves far more money and aggrevation then if they had just sent the car in to a familure tech in the first place.

I encourage DIY..but there are some things that do need experiance that just cannot be explained over a phone call or internet search.

 

No judgement there for not wanting to DIY, it's not everyone's interest and there's nothing wrong with that...but the fact that some would rather see a receipt from the first shop, who was obviously incompetent, than a parts receipt from a good DIY'er, is what doesn't really compute with me. Yeah, there are a few Brians and James's out there, but a lot of them are the first shop.

 

VW...hey, this ain't no lowly Lambo

 

We are all right!

the qualified mechanic who provides a quality service

the non diy who values the skilled mech at market rates

and the diy guy who enjoys max the value of the f car ownership equation

regarding placing more value on 360 w 100k worth of pro mech invoices vs the diy car… I see your point. My hack would be to diy over my 10 yr ownership period then get an inspection and annual at the mothership right before I plan to sell.

but honestly looking at recent 360 sales on bat… I don’t see the high $$$ necessarily correlating to a stack of 100k in invoices…. It’s about mlg condition and options.

no offense to the good mechanics… but I’ve had poor service from the indies dealers and big $$ specialists. When I pressed them on the poor work.. they blame some new guy they hired…. Or say shi$ happens. The bad ones give them all a bad name.. and that business is poorly regulated…. Very little recourse for bad or dishonest practices.


so I just diy for most things… and bank that crazy retail vs diy margin away….. the spread is yuge for Ferrari…, and from exp my 360 sits on an engine stand… easy to access and built to be serviced vs say a new mb or bmw.

I chuckle and cringe when I called my dealer for a replacement blinker relay-/. $1800
$1000 for the relay plus labor!! Lol


I’m glad op is happy w spending xxxxx on this work. At the end of the day that is what matters.

 

Oh and if you are like red neck and not in close proximity to a reputable shop… diy makes a lot of sense.


If I was wi 30 min drive of a guru like rifle.. I’d be a client for sure! But I don’t seem to have those options in houston.

 

some of my DIY over my 4 yrs of ownership:

buy parts on line with deep discount + diy -

coil packs
sp plugs
water pump rebuild
motor mounts
Alt wiring
Al module 3x
blinker relay
susp module / accel sensor - trouble shoot codes to resolve this issue.
oil change
trans fluid change
rotors/pads/ss lines / flush
coolant flush
upper intake gaskets
fuel inj change
headers / gasket
cat pipes
catback 4x
stickies
driver door cable
mass air meters 2x
air filters
cabin filter
cat overheat ECU's - trouble shoot codes to resolve this issue.
refit chassis grounds (clean/tighten)
replace underbelly hardware
drivers door safety lamp
paint correction / ceramic coat
replace ac control buttons
replace engine side panel hardware
new battery every 3 yrs
renew headliner
renew dash vents
renew fronk leather straps
reset window regulator limits
replace accy belts / reset tension

bought car for $90K in 2018 w/19k miles
gated 01 modena
now at 28k miles
worth 125k ish I'm guessing

I'm sure above repairs in the retail space would erode much of the residual value in this car.

Plus I get alot of joy working on this platform, talking to others, and doing the work right, and telling wifey how much I spent vs retail estimates.

anyone care to put a retail number on labor for above items

 

If you know of a rifle-driver quality indie in the houston area post em up..... I've yet to find one.

 

Relay @£115 from superperformance, taking the micky if its the same one

 

it costs a lot to learn, just do not want to learn on your car - get the professional who has done it, knows the issues

 

I agree the cost can be high when attempting a service operation but the knowledge and satisfaction can be equally rewarding.

For instance, I had a problem with my electric acceleration circuit (foot potentiometer, throttle bodies) and spent about a month learning everything I could about how it works. I figured out the problem was with my throttle bodies and also figured out how to test, match and rebuild them. It cost me well north of $500 to fix them. But now I know probably more about the circuit than most any Ferrari tech.

I took it a step further and built an adapter kit that allows the 360 to use commonly available Porsche throttle bodies in place of the now unavailable stock units.

Lots of fun.

https://www.ferrari360.org/2022/03/ferrari-360-throttle-body-adapters.html