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  1. imperial83

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    Jenson Button is being linked to a drive at Ferrari. The news was first rumoured in the Red Bulletin magazine, which is available only in the F1 paddock, and then popped up in the Daily Mirror. Button refused to deny the stories at Silverstone but it may not be as easy as it seems as even if he is free from BAR because of the poor results this year, he is still under contract to the Williams team. Much will obviously depend on the terms of that contract but most F1 driver contracts include a clause about a change of engine manufacturer and that could allow Button to get out of the Williams deal and that would line him up for a deal at Ferrari, which would be a year alongside Michael Schumacher and then a step up into the number one seat.

    This is fine in theory but there are a lot of things in the way, not least the fact that Rubens Barrichello has a two-year contract with Ferrari. Barrichello may want to leave and join BAR-Honda where he could be the number one driver but that does not mean that Williams will not have factory engines.

    The fact that Button will not deny the rumours is not necessarily significant. Stories about Ferrari will do no harm at all getting F1 into the papers and thus attracting more TV viewers on Sunday.

    http://www.grandprix.com/ns/ns15222.html

    So this makes sense:
    1) Rubens leaves for BAR Honda
    2) Button comes to Ferrari
    3) Williams get Honda engines in return for freeing Button from next years contract and allowing the trade to take place.
     
  2. tifosi12

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    A Rubens for Button swap? Me likey very much. Not because of Button, but it would mean a departing Rubens would drive like hell for the rest of the season. That could be tremendous fun to watch.
    :)

    Problem is that I can't imagine Schumacher accepting Button as #2 beside him. Button is way too fast for that.
     
  3. imperial83

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    So would it be better to watch Interlagos on the 25th of September at home on TV with complete coverage or be in the stands at Interlagos when Rubens makes his dream come true by winning? :)
     
  4. Gary(SF)

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    From the post-qualifying interviews:

    Q: Now the Daily Mirror today says that you’re joining Ferrari next year. What comment do you have on that?
    JB: Yeah, I read that this morning as well. A nice piece! I can’t say anything on my future next year, I’m just living in the moment which is pretty good.

    Q: But you won’t deny it.
    JB: I won’t, but I cannot talk about my future next year. That’s it. I am not going to say yes or no.
     
  5. tifosi12

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    He is jinxed on that one. Even if Ferrari and Michael would support him all the way he would find a way to screw it up.
     
  6. Dane

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    Wow. Very interesting.

    I must admit that I get a chuckle out of drivers' automatically going into the #2 spot with any team. i.e Button #2, Schumi' #1. If Button or any other driver wants to be the number one at Ferrari, the solution is simple: Be quicker than Michael.

    2007 Prediction:

    Rossi/Button with the Scuderia.

    Dane
     
  7. racerx3317

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    It seems unlikely, but you never know. I have a tendency not to believe most of the stuff in the British press especially when it comes to a British driver. Anything can happen i suppose.
     
  8. daz355

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    ITV has said that it was Bernie stirring things up and he was just pulling a fast one on the journalist.
     
  9. beast

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    It wont happen. First of all you have to wonder if Button is truly the real deal.

    Yes he has had signs of brilliance but considering BAR's checkered history you have to wonder what else has BAR done and was not detected by the FIA??
     
  10. F1racer

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    Who started this rumor? The Brits?
    Just like the Germans with Heidfeld and the Italians with Rossi.

    IMO...Only Massa to Ferrari makes sense. (for now)
     
  11. racerx3317

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    Why not Gene? They only need a number two for now and He knows the car well.
     
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    Luca Badoer know the car and the team even better why not him?
     
  13. racerx3317

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    Gene has had more recent race experience, last year and was quicker than JPM for a while. I don't remember when the last time Badoer started a race.
     
  14. F1racer

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    I'm fed up with this #2 driver thing. Bring a young fast driver that can give MS a hard time. If he's not happy with that then retire.
    If I was Jean Todt ...I would try to go get:
    my list..
    1) KR
    2) FA

    3) Kovalainen (future F1 star)

    4) Heidfeld
    5) Button
    6) Massa
     
  15. racerx3317

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    They won't do that, Ferrari kisses MS's a$$ like i've never seen. MS has pretty much never has to deal with a teammate like that. On another note, anyone else notice that Rubens has outqualifiyed MS 5 times this year? Interesting lol.
     
  16. beast

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    KR, FA, anf JB have way too big of an ego to be placed into the #2 car. They will demand in the contract that they get every thing they want handed to them on a platinum platter.

    Heidfeld, and Massa i could see in the #2 Ferrari.

    How about this make Ralf the #2 driver at Ferrari. He will spend so much time making so many excuses about how much faster he is than his brother, that Micheal will have so much fun winning and watching little bro make an A$$ of himself that he will race untill Ralf retires :D
     
  17. F1racer

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    If you say so. All I want is to see Kimi in the other Ferrari. Another 2 or 3 Mercedes engine failure and he will be knocking at Jean Todt's door in no time.

    Wouldn't mind seing both Schumachers but Michael once said they will never drive at the same team together.
     
  18. Strasse

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    There was much talk of KR joining the scuderia in the near future. And I still see this as a likely outcome. KR is the cream of the next generation of drivers, and he's itching for a championship, which so far an unrealiable McLaren has cost him, but all that looks set to change.

    What I believe (and hope) will end up happening is KR coming to Ferrari, possibly during MS's last season, and taking over the reigns when the German finally retires. As much as I don't wish to ruffle anyone's feathers, my opinion is that Button is a second rate driver. I personally doubt he will find a seat at Ferrari, although you never say never. This said, I think that personality-wise, Button is miles ahead of Kimi, who seems to be a real little pratt. But fortunately, Ferrari isn't a dating service.

    The scuderia is still (if not for a little while) in a position where it can demand and afford 'world championship' pilots. As I see it, there are only two drivers in Formula One who qualify--the aforementioned Kimi, and Mr Alonso, who is firmly wrapped around Briatore's pinky. There's no chance of, or reason why Alonso should leave Renault, but I don't see Kimi being as tied down to McLaren.

    The whole question of number one and two driver solely came about because MS was a consistently and immensely better racer than Irvine and Rubens. Ferrari realises that MS won't be around forever; it's time to inject some young, talented blood into the team, and see how the chips fall. Alternatively, MS could give up his seat to Kimi, and let Ferrari stay with Rubens. This is what I originally thought would happen, but Ruben's lugubrious demeanor this season suggests otherwise.
     
  19. racerx3317

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    While it is possible that Kimi could end up driving for the scuderia, it is doubtful that Ron Dennis would let him go without a fight. If next year's Mclaren is as good as this year's and if Mercedes gets it's act together what would be the point of leaving? I don't know that it would be a straight, plug in Kimi and let's go win races, Kimi is not as technical as MS. It would take while to get the Ferrari suited to him. I somehow don't see MS leaving this year, it will probably be after next, but nobody knows but MS.

    PS i think you mean Renualt not Benneton, lol
     
  20. racerx3317

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    I think Ross Brawn was quite impressed with JB's consistency with his race pace, i think he's in contention for the Ferrari drive. It's not that far fetched, take the number two car, learn the team, wait for MS to retire, and then fight for the title. While I agree that JB isn't quite on the top tier, he is close and KR and FA might be tough to get anytime soon.
     
  21. Strasse

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    hmmm Yup, lol. Thanks for pointing that out :D
     
  22. Dane

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    ...because Rossi smoked his test times. :) Heck, Rossi was only three seconds slower than Schumacher his first, yes first, time in the car. Who would you go after?

    I'm a firm believer in this kid driving a red car by 2007. I'll be happy to eat some crow if it doesn't happen but that's really the way I see it.


    Can you blame 'em? Five world championships deserves a little "reward," wouldn't you say? Michael's never had to deal with a teammate like that because he's always been quicker than anyone else.

    This isn't rocket science, guys. It's like I said, be quicker than your teammate and you'll be #1 within the team. Be quicker than the grid and you'll be world champion. Sounds simple enough, right? :)

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  23. Mr Payne

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    Who says Button wants to be ***** for a year? His ego is the size of a metropolis. He won't accept being a #2.
     
  24. racerx3317

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    Even before the titles he never had a young lion in the other car. He was quite like Senna was in choosing teammates even back then.
     
  25. tifosi12

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    Actually it comes from MS having it written into his contract before he even joined Ferrari.
     

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