I suspect f1 trans + valet use = .5 life
f355spider: Here's what I find most interesting about what your telling me about the 2009 Ferrari F430 GT Spider. I heard a very similar story told to me over the telephone from the owner of what I believe is that very same Ferrari but his name (handle) was different it was 'Ken458' however he lives in Oklahoma. He told me the identical story about the original owner having the local dealer trying to talk him into an F1 vehicle, due to the lack of parts available to produce a manual, and Ferrari wanted the last manual to stay in Italy, however they built it for him and he believes that was the last one ever built. Ken458 told me the car was rarely driven and was owned by a Father and Son where they took the car around to different shows so the mileage was extremely low. Something happened to one of them either the Father or the Son I can't remember which one, but due to that the car was put up for sale, and that's how Ken458 bought the car. Sounds to me like it's the same vehicle which is now out in Oklahoma, he's the one who told me about only 4 of the gated 2009 vehicles were brought into the USA, and that knowledge was passed on to him by the original owner who was good friends with some of the folks over in Italy, so it seems to be authentic. The only difference from what I remember was the original owners were I believe from the New York area. johnfe
Different car, I had dinner with the father, son and daughter at the local FCA Christmas party in December. I am always dubious of claims people have of knowing exact numbers of cars produced, so take Ken's claims with a grain of salt.
Skidkid: Let's not debate who's right or who's wrong or who's suggestions are "Whacked!" Allow me to clarify some things here and now!! First of all I have never owned or driven a Ferrari F430 F1 vehicle so I have no direct knowledge or experience to draw from. But what I can tell you is before buying my Ferrari I did extensive research on the Ferrari F430 and the 360 for over 4 months from as many different sources as I could possibly access. To say I'm fastidious and fanatically thorough about researching a topic I'm interested in would be an understatement. So what I stated was from what I read and heard from multiple experts on the Ferrari F430 F1 verses the GT. So please understand it's not me whose saying these things, it was the experts that were making these statements. When I read and heard the same thing over and over again from several resources, I deemed what they were all saying to most likely be true. So here's 2 of my resources so you gentleman can take up your arguments with them: https://aldousvoice.com/technical-articles/ Read throw his technical articles on this topic "Ferrari F430 Buying Advice" I believe this German/Dutch (not sure which I'm no language expert) guy is a mechanical engineer from a supercar dealership in Europe (Netherlands) Don't be for off by the language it's closed captioned In the above video I suggest you both watch it as this guy seems to be extremely knowledgeable and listen (read) what he has to say . If I had more time I'd list the exact minute mark when he makes the statements about the F1 vehicles and it was his suggestion not mine to start off in 2nd gear to cut down on the slipping of the clutch to reduce wear which he states happens in 1st gear. Since he's had years of experience with these vehicles I took him at his word thinking he had no motivation to lie, and therefore wasn't "Whacked" in the head. LOL!! I also have two more articles which I can site which mirrored these 2 the comments from the above sources; but since it's been 2 years since I did this I'd have to look in my notes in order to find them. But at the end of the day gentlemen, I'm not here to argue with anyone about which version is best as it's a somewhat a subjective opinion and boils down largely to personal preference. So let's all be happy with our vehicles and simply enjoy the hell out of them as life is short. Best regards to all, johnfe
f355spider: What's unusual is the stories are so damn similar, however I'm not doubting you. I will however say this; most dealers in the Los Angeles area agree that only a handful of the 2009 F430 GT's were brought into the USA so if there's more than 4 it's not many more than that. johnfe
From my side, I owned and drove one for 13 years and over half of those it was my DD. SO, I have a lot of first hand experience and I have interfaced with a lot of mechanics and other experts. That doesn't make me an expert (there are some on here) but I do know a lot about these cars. In the video he starts discussing the F1 clutch about 5:00 and I can tell you 1) he isn't a mechanic 2) he doesn't know much about the system. SO the video is your basic internet misinformation that gets propagated and yes, his suggestions are whacked (completely wrong). AldousVoice doesn't make any such claim and he does knows cars very well. If you really want the lowdown there are some extensive threads on here where F1 operation is discussed at length. Most of those have contributions from the experts here; Fchat is a great community and resource. Of course how someone wants to drive their car is a personal preference but that doesn't change the facts of how the system operates so don't be surprised when someone calls out misinformation when posted. Have a great day.
I hear what you are saying and it all depends on driving style. I had the F1 technique pretty well sorted and could get the clutch fully closed in 1-2 car lengths. The manual I can do much quicker with virtually no increase in revs above idle. When I asked my Ferrari tech about a manual 430 one of the first things he said is you will never need a new clutch.
There are occasionally reasons to start an F1 car in 2nd gear, but saving the clutch is not one of them. It causes additional clutch wear, despite what the video may suggest. The owner's manual (for a 360) states: "If you opt for a more "modulated" departure, . . . permit the car to depart in 2nd speed." Similarly, if you put the car in "low grip" mode, "the system utilizes 2nd gear instead of 1st gear." I suspect the 430 Owner's Manual says the same thing. But in all these cases, the F1 is trading clutch slip (and wear) for control. Basically, starting in 2nd causes about as much clutch slip and wear as using reverse -- and you can find many threads here on the increased clutch wear that reverse tends to cause. At least, that is my experience from reading the owner's manual and driving an F1. Which has little, if anything, to do with the topic of this thread, which is how much gated 430s (and, in part I think, gated 360s) will appreciate over time. A much more interesting question, in my opinion. And my crystal ball doesn't work very well to guess at that. For a benchmark as to how well the Ferrari Chat Crystal Ball works in general, go read the "Ford GT" thread in this forum, and ponder that debate as to whether a 360 or a Ford GT is [at that time] going to be a better value in the future. I guess they were about the same price at the time that thread was started? A good 360 is now worth $70, 000 to $120,00 maybe; a good Ford GT is now going for about $500,000. I'm not sure we are real good at this Crystal Ball game! . . . .
I currently have my 2008 6MT 430 coupe up for sale and after reading the OP’s link I don’t think I’ll mind if I keep it for a little while longer. Sounds like the value will take off when there’s the next big price appreciation of Ferraris. Great for me especially when manual 430 coupes seem to be a lot more rare than their Spider counterpart.
More old wives' tales on F430 F1 systems. Never seem to end. Usually by someone who has never driven an F1 Ferrari.
Anyone who thinks taking off in 2nd gear saves the clutch is nuts. These cars have the same clutch regardless if they are manual or F1 and a higher ratio (2nd gear) on take off means more clutch slip, manual or F1.
1-2 car lengths is too much. Either a wrong setting on the closing of the clutch or a driver that´s too careful and causing the clutch to slip too much. My clutch closes in half-one car length. Don´t baby it.