Buying advice: 360CS or 997GT3RS?

I'm gonna post this link in every thread I see until I sell it.

http://www.ferrarichat.com/ferrariads/showproduct.php?product=2135&sort=1&cat=11&page=1

 

Both are incredible cars but as a ex-Porsche guy (owned more than 10 in my lifetime), I have finally recognized that Porsche has sold out! They are a production hungry pig with no imagination or creativity anymore unless the almighty buck is in their eyes. I heard an interesting stat yesterday that Porsche makes $40k on each 911 made.....

go Ferrari. Keep the heritage going!

Joe

 

I would love to find out how much Ferrari makes on every car they make? I would bet they would not be far off from the profit that Porsche makes on their 911's.

 

That stat was merely Porsche's total profit divided by its car sales. It had nothing to do with each individual car. It did not take into account the money made from VW, or from merchandise sales (and licensing), or from parts sales.

That aside, I'd go with the F355. Beautiful car, and make sure to get some test pipes and an X-OST for a sound to match the look. The GT3RS is pretty much just a kitted GT3 because Porsche rushed the car too much. The only technical difference between the two is the flywheel.

 

I agree the numbers are probably the same but the car prices are dramatically different so I wonder if the margins are different from a percentage standpoint....

 

the 997RS will be much faster and more capable at the track not as pretty and may not provide the same feel as the CS so depends on what you prefer

 

Fact is that the dealer profit margin the Carrera GT was $17K - and its cost of manufacture was in excess of $385K - and that was based on a $430K car.

Profitibiliy today is far different than in 1992 when the company almost went of of business. Sell out? I'd say great business practices. You don't have to love the company - but they make a fantastic product at a great price.

 

Using the Carrera GT is a bad example - loss leader just like the Enzo. I would agree that, for the price, you get a fast car, but not much else as far as fit and finish. Every one I owned was a rattle bucket after 5,000 miles. But, for the price, you are correct on performance.

 

Simple answer. there will be no GT3 RS in 2008 so your choice is easy. 360 CS. Jon in Delaware

 

+1...CS!!

 

that's incorrect. It's on a 4S chassis making ther rear track wider. That's a pretty big difference don't you think? With that said though, I still love my CS.

 

What kind of question is that on a FERRARI chat?
Get the Ferrari! DUHHHHH

 

What is the difference to the regular gt3? I had some seat time recently in the gt3. Its a brilliant car with nice sound and handling and very fast and agile as well.
Would I trade in my cs for one? Not a chance, unless it was to be my only car, then yes I would.

 

stopped by Local Porsche dealer several weeks ago just for fun, and asked same question...they say, crisper throttle response(smaller/lighter flywheel), better stability--especially at higher speeds--and a tad more intimate in feel/resonses...pretty much the same info as what i've read. and hey, if you ever get bored of your CS..erm...i'll gladly take it off your hands....


...at a HUGE discount

cheers,

D

 

Sound and sensations 360 CS.
But the 997gt3 or RS is much much much faster

 

That is completely wrong. 44mm wider track is the main difference. Try driving both and the differences will be very apparent. I have had my RS for almost 2 months and it is a fantastic car. I have completely neglected my 599 since the RS arrived. I have a CGT and I can tell you that the RS is formidable IMO

 

True. The 360CS is a fantastic car. Can't go wrong with it. But remember the 430LP (basically the 430CS) will be out by December. It will make the 360CS rather dated. It is not fair to compare the 997GT3RS with the 360CS. The RS is one major generation newer. A fairer comparison is the 996GT3RS with the 360CS. The 997GT3RS makes the 996 version a classic car

 

FWIW - I think to evaluate the question, one needs to prioritize the following:
- Proficiency at and desired track driving time
- % of time on the track vs. road
- Depreciation - value retention

For example, if one is really wanting to use the car mostly for track and competition (and that is a priority), hard to beat the Porsche for reliability, lower cost of consummables, set up experience from other Porsche owners, and more class competition (more Porsches competing than Ferraris, at least in the states). If that is the route you want to go and still want to stay Ferrari, get a challenge car. Few show up at events and everyone loves their sounds. Not very competitive however.

As far as depreciation, Porsches rock (as in their prices drop like them)!!! No matter how rare or limited production, there is no empirical evidence (that I am aware) whereby the newer generation Porsches hold their value, unlike Ferraris (if purchased at MSRP). My 2006 Porsche Cayenne Turbo S is worth about 35 per cent less one year later; my 2003 GT-2 have been selling for less than 50% of MSRP; 996 GT-3s are routinely selling for about 30 -35 per cent less than MSRP, 996 twin turbos less than half, and the CGT 20-25% less than MSRP. The first few year hits on Porsches are ridiculous and represent the worst feature of the brand!!!! You don't see that with Ferraris. While the GT-3RS certainly is a special car, unless you are close to an advanced amateur or pro driver will you see big differences in lap times between it and 996 GT3s. And I question its ability to not depreciate like all the other "special" Porsches I owned or have owned.

At the same time, why do I have so many Porsches?? Strictly for track and for their reliability. Not so certain as to reliability and track experience history with Ferraris - there just aren't that many data points as to track Ferraris outside Ferrari's Challenge series. At the same time, if I have a chance to go for a drive (not on the track), the Ferraris always get the call. The sounds, the pride of ownership/heritage, etc. are all hard to beat. The cars really are emotional.

 

This is exactly right.
The GT3RS in EITHER 996 (you never saw this one in the US) or 997 versions are very very quick cars with someabsolutely sensational times around the' Ring. 996 RS is really a bit too much for road use though whereas the 997 delivers similar performance in a much more road friendly package.

It take $400 for an alignment (Geometry setup) on the 996RS and I'm not joking but a competent driver really will comfortably pull away from a 360CS on a circuit. Top Gear test was a bit misleading.

That is to take nothing away from the Ferrari which is a FAR more road friendly car. Pick the Porsche if you want to HAMMER your car on the road (and track).

 

There is no 08 RS. If you have a deposit, your not getting one. You should have already chosen your colours and config by now.

You know my answer. The 996GT3 is faster than the 360Cs and the 997RS is even better.

With the GT3 all you need to do is drive it, that's all. Change the oil and drive. You never have to open the hood. I've never seen a 360 or CS for that matter without clutches going, belts needing to be changed etc etc. Ask the 360 owners here, they'll tell you.

Oh you will get what a lot of Ferrari guys on here call "passion" - whatever that is. But if you want a drivers car, there really is no substitute to a GT3.

 

You know you're getting quite tiresome, right? If you were correct that would be one thing, but you're flat wrong. I've never had any issues with 360 or 430 reliability on or off track, and have several friends with Porsches that have had some serious problems. In fact there is a thread on 6speedonline (IIRC) that has real horror story of a lemon 997 GT3. Everyone I know with a 360 or 430 has had excellent reliability, every bit as good as any Porsche. Take any driver to the track and have him turn laps in the GT3 and the CS, and 9 out of 10 will take the CS, even if it is a few tenths slower. Get a clue and go find a new home where your fantasy story-telling may be more welcome.

Gary

 

No one on rennlist is sure about this, how are you so certain?

Like this guy?

997 GT3 Lemon

Now this is pure BS. Any complaints about clutches or belts on 360's are the exception, not the rule (just like the 997GT3 lemon referenced above is the exception). The 360 owners ARE on here and know the cars better than you.

As Gary says, you ARE getting tiresome.

 

Since when is rennlist the harbinger or truth?
There will be no '08 RS's.

 

Although frustrating, why not ignore any posts or threads by Charlesgt2