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Buying and learning.

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  1. boxerman

    boxerman F1 World Champ
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    Here is a question for all you experienced folks out there. have wanted to fly since I was a kid. Did the control line Rc stuff, and at one point 15 years ago took 12hrs of flight training. I lacked the dicipline time and money to go further. Plus there really was nothing inspirational in flying a C150.

    So more lately, realising that whatever in life is not done, may not happen, plus reading Jackie Cochran's biography I realise the time is never going to be ideal, and just like racing I have to make the time.

    I have looked for flight training in westchester, and its back to doing circuts in a C150 or maybe a diamond. My thoughts are to buy a decent Citabria or Decathalon and get training in that. I really want to fly for the fun and joy of flying. Alternatively to get LSA training and build flight hours on a LSA license.

    I know the most practical is to get training in cessna or its ilk, but to me it just does not inspire.

    Thoughts?
     
  2. mikecap

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    My first plane after getting my private was a Beech Sierra. Very docile, but with 200 hp, constant speed prop and retractable gear it qualified as "high performance". In reality it was anything but - easy to fly and maintain and a great and stable learning platform. Nothing beats having your own plane to fly in if you can afford it. I would go this way if you can swing it.
     
  3. joker57676

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    I would train in whatever the schools by you offer, then upgrade upon obtaining your certification. You can go your route, but your costs are going to excessively high when you factor in monthly payments, housing the a/c, normal maintenance, repair maintenance, fuel, oil, insurance (which will be high considering your note a pilot), etc. Ferrari bills are nothing compared to airplane bills.


    Mark
     
  4. jcurry

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    Do any of the local airports have flying clubs? Hourly costs can be lower and may have multiple aircraft to choose from. To minimize hrs ($) to get your ticket I would find a small non-towered airport, ideally an 'old time' airport in the country. In addition to getting more flight time per billed hr you will be learning on smaller (width and length) runways. I highly recommend learning to fly a tail dragger, whether during primary training or afterwards. If you are really interested in the LSA route a Cub or Champ are affordable and a blast to fly. Even if not both are fun airplanes. Citabria is just a slightly bigger Champ. I did my intro to acrobatics in a Decathalon. If you can fly acro in that everything else is easy. As a 17yo, 135lb weakling snap roles were two handed affairs.

    As with Ferrari's get a good PPI before buying anything, especially anything with wood and fabric.
     
  5. James_Woods

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    They need aileron spades to handle well - the 180hp Super Decathlon is a pretty good aerobatic platform. But not, of course, a Pitts Special.
     
  6. jcurry

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    It was a 150hp as I recall, but it did have spades. I was just a weakling at the time!:D
     
  7. chris_columbia

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    I'm not sure exactly what you feel is missing from a C150. But, have you ever considered an ultralight? Look up Belite. Lots of different setups. For the price of a 50 year old 2 seater, you can have a brand new aircraft. Of course, only one seat, and range is limited, but cost of ownership is super cheap. I saw one with the "turtledeck" setup to look like a cub, and it was a nice looking plane. The very base model is $16K for a ready to fly plane.
     
  8. James_Woods

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    I know what you mean - I owned a 7ECA Citabria at the time I took aero in the Super Decathlon - and it was very, very heavy on the controls compared to the Decathlon.

    Great short field airplane, though.
     
  9. mixxalot@yahoo.com

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    I am doing half my training in a Cessna 152 because its the cheapest plane to rent in the bay area. Later when I do navigation for cross country, I will switch to a Cessna 172 that has dual VOR and GPS. My advice is to train in a Cessna 172 as its cheaper than most planes and good fun. Buy a plane later when you have your ticket and have been checked out in different ones to find your ideal mission profile.
     
  10. Roger103

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    The Cessna 150/152 is the best built aircraft for flight training in my opinion. Fly some other planes and I think you will wish you were back in the Cessna.
     
  11. donv

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    I think it is brilliant. My brother bought a Cessna 140 for his kids to learn in, but personally I've always been partial to the Citabria line. A 7ECA would do the job nicely.

     
  12. subirg

    subirg F1 Rookie

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    I agree. I am learning to fly in a C152. It's a great place to start and easy on the $$$. Yeah, it might not look like much from the outside, but from the inside there is plenty going on to keep a student pilot very busy... or at least busy enough when you are just starting out. Once I have the basic PPL out of the way, I'll be sure to move on to other stuff, but for training, there is no point having more plane than you can usefully, or safely, use.

    To me, learning to fly is not a beauty contest, it's about staying safe and getting solid grounding before moving up the ladder. Oh - and I am learning to fly from a grass strip - once you have mastered those, you can be confident of being able to land in most places.
     
  13. boxerman

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    I have found someone to teach me in a Carbon cub, I think this will work best for me as I can enjoy the "flying part" while learning the technical part. That was my problem witht the 152 if flew like an analogue computer so most of the learning was technical nav radio skills etc. Yes the stalls and spin training were intresting, but that part was way too short. If I am going to fly then I want to learn to really "fly" as opposed to controlling a plane through airspace.

    Kinda like riding a motorcycle as opposed to driving an auto tranny car. In one you are fully engaged and very aware of your suroundings and dynamics, the other you control to your destination following directions and rules. Yes I know flying a 150 is more complex than that, but to me it seems a valid analogy.

    I plan to go the LSA route in the Carbon Cub and then if its all working out graduate to a PPL. Aparently time in a LSA counts towards a PPL.

    Thank you everybody for your feedback. Happy to see there are so many different opinions and aproaches,
     

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