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Buying dealer or individual?

Discussion in 'Ferrari Discussion (not model specific)' started by redspiderlover, Nov 16, 2006.

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  1. redspiderlover

    Nov 13, 2006
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    Hi all,

    I have been looking at Ferraris for some time now, but I am a little confused about the best place to look for a used one. Should I be looking into cars sold by dealerships, or individuals? Which will offer a safer buy? I am on the east coast, so I'm not sure if that changes anything. Thanks in advance for any advice.
     
  2. Simon^2

    Simon^2 F1 World Champ

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    Can you provide a few more details? IMO the answer is partially dependent on the car. 2006 430 Spider vs 88 Testarossa foe example.
     
  3. redspiderlover

    Nov 13, 2006
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    Well, I'm thinking about a 308, 84ish maybe, sometime in the next few years, at least after I have finished restoring my Alfa. I love the body style on the 308, and it is also very affordable. I want something I can take to the track, and drive on weekends, but being 16, I am on a student budget, so I would like to keep it below $100,000.
     
  4. brokenarrow

    brokenarrow F1 Rookie

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    I've been looking for a 360 for three months now and it's a rather interesting excercise in comparing options, pricing and closing the deal. For what it's worth, 95% of Ferraris are priced well above their "real" market value. Perhaps this is in preparation for stiff negotiations. I have made offers on several cars that this forum has helped be fair value. Some private parties believe their cars are worth as much as a dealer car. I won't argue this since it will only incite violence and arguing, but I will say that buying from a dealer offers some (maybe minimal) recourse if necessary. When buying form and individual, this option is limited. Individuals aren't worried some much about "bad press", whereas dealers are. So, my point is individual sales should be discounted to reflect this additional risk. But since there are so few fine Ferraris, you can find yourself waiting a while to close a deal.

    I spent some time talking to three Ferrari dealers, Dallas, Shelton and whatever the one in Atlanta is called. While they are very reluctant to conduct pre-purchase inspections, they all do "thorough" inspections prior to buying a car and selling it. They also stand on their comments regarding their cars. Interesting. I believe you pay-up for the piece of mind. According to many on this forum there are many good deals to be found from individuals, but don't get emotional. Be fair, courteous, and know the pricing of the car. And, know the pricing of the car. Everyone on this site has been extremely helpful to me in avoiding some questionable cars.

    My search continues....
     
  5. wetpet

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    not too many 360s for sale.
     
  6. redspiderlover

    Nov 13, 2006
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    The 360 is such a nice car. Shame there aren't more around. Good luck with your search.
     
  7. Bullfighter

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    You are kidding, right? ;)

    My personal suggestion is that if it's your first one, and you want a 308 QV, I'd check reputable Ferrari-knowledgeable dealers like Forza Motors up in Connecticut, or Sport Auto in NC, where I bought my 328. And you've got Bill Pollard nearby, who knows those cars thoroughly.

    I know you can end up with a great car through individual purchases, but you're really on your own the second the title is signed over - and you have a higher probability of buying a needy car.

    If you have someone knowledgeable with you, or a good Ferrari tech to rely on for an inspection, then it tilts the odds more in your favor if you decide to buy from a private seller. This is all my opinion, and how I would spend my money - but you'll get other opinions here.

    The official Ferrari dealers don't handle many (any?) 308's anymore, so you'll likely be wasting your time there. I tried that route.

    Hmm, investment time?
     
  8. 285ferrari

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    360's are like Hondas they are everywhere...
     
  9. redspiderlover

    Nov 13, 2006
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    Oops, winking smiley didn't show. Great advice though, I have someone who can help check out the cars, but what I mean by dealerships is non-Ferrari. Will have to check out Sport Auto.
     
  10. brokenarrow

    brokenarrow F1 Rookie

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    Everywhere? If you have flexible requirements. Finding a six-speed, red/tan, low miles, 00-03 (no cab) for a fair price. There are a few pie in the sky cars that are silly pricing examples. Okay, here comes the "if you can't afford.." Buying a car for a fair price only reduces my loss upon liquidation. In fact, I'm now looking at 430's too. The depreciation will be less with them since the demand is so high and the supply so limited and there are low mileage fine cars available with the stated 6spd red/tan. The wife may throw may out, but I'd have a nice place to sleep.
     
  11. redspiderlover

    Nov 13, 2006
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  12. vandevanterSH

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    If you want an extended warranty you buy from a dealer. BTW there are 95 360 coupes + spiders listed on FML.
     
  13. cig1

    cig1 F1 Rookie

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    I'd be more comfortable with a private party than a used car salesman.

    G
     
  14. Bullfighter

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  15. Doug.

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    Ugh...did anyone else catch that? 16 years old huh?
     
  16. greyboxer

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    I will gladly sell you a 308 for just under USD 100 000 !
     
  17. redspiderlover

    Nov 13, 2006
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    Haha don't think so. That's why I like the 308 though, under $50 g. What I am talking about is Ferraris in the under $100 g range. Not sure but could this influence whether I buy dealer or individual? Actually, I am 16. I started a web design business when I was 14, and I am now getting into investing. Believe what you want, but I really would just prefer advice instead of questioning. Sorry for any confusion.
     
  18. wetpet

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    yes, at any given time there are 150+ on the market.
     
  19. cig1

    cig1 F1 Rookie

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    Then why is it so hard for people to pull the trigger?
     
  20. Doug.

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    ....
     
  21. RMDC

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    .....this kid is just the thing to push me over the edge and go to the private section.
     
  22. redspiderlover

    Nov 13, 2006
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    Hi, I'm very sorry, I didn't mean to offend anyone. SimonF40 asked for details, and I gave details. Maybe I should not have mentioned my age, it seems to have really pushed some buttons. I have fought for every cent I have, and had many people think that I do not deserve what I earn because of my age. I only included this because I thought it may be a variable to factor into the equation of buying from an individual or dealer. That's what this thread was to discuss, not about what a conceited ____ I am because I mentioned how much money I was willing to spend in a few years to buy my dream car. I do not think how much money one has defines a person. I do believe that what defines a person is their character. I regretfully ask that some admin would please delete my user account, and close this thread? This is my first thread here, and I have already angered quite a few people, and can see this is really not going to work out. It seemed like everyone was quite nice, and understanding for the week or so that I have watched, and not had a user account. I was just here on this forum because I love the cars, and one day, would like to fulfill my dream of buying one. I have not meant to offend anyone in any way. Maybe I could have worded things better, or not mentioned my age, but at this point what has been said has been said. I would like to leave on respectful terms, so please consider this my last post, and maybe we can all move on.
     
  23. PWehmer

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    I've always wondered insurance would run on a 16 yo with any Ferrari? If you could find it offered.

    I just wonder since insurance on a normal used Honda Civic for a teenager is quite pricey.

    But to answer your question for less then 100K i would search out a private seller. And don't spend all your green on the car . Keep back funds for sorting it out. Most need it.
     

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