Let the bench-racing and name-calling begin anew ... http://forums.corvetteforum.com/showthread.php?t=1172165&page=1&pp=20
Aaaaaaaarghhh we could get a full fleet of them for the price of a Fcar, and we could race them Sure, they're not that subtle, but who cares ?
I like the Vette, but the breathless enthusiasm is misplaced (maybe it's the sheer mediocrity of the rest of GM cars, makes this one shine like a pearl in a heap of dung). Grip, does not equal good handling. Viper has gobs of it, but is not a good handler. Braking is not THAT amazing. The engine is miles better then the previous one though, and that's a fact. As for value for money, that's a crap argument. I can get a Subaru STI, spend 10K and whip the 'vette any day rain or shine (especially rain) in handling and acceleration.
Then you should really be in the business, Dude. Remember this Car and Driver comparo: http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=15&article_id=6947&page_number=1 It was a four-cyl version of their supertuner challenge. Of note are a couple of Evos and an $80,000, 450 HP WRX. A supercharged S2000 actually got the best time for the course (which included an infield circuit and a run up to 130 mph), with the WRX placing third just behind an Evo. But the important thing is they ran a stock Z06 (remember the old one?) on the course just for reference and it spanked all of the expensive tuner cars.
according to these numbers, the vette is faster than the ford gt i n the quarter...but keep in mind that these were press drive cars, and they always seem to have better times than the production cars that are tested later...the f430 did 0-60 in 3.5 with the intial press drive i italy and the ford gt ran 3.3s preproduction, but the latest test have it at 3.6-3-8 seconds
Not really, it's pretty easy to get big power out of Evos and STIs. Now if you want reliability... That a whole different ball game.
The EvoFQ400 out accelerated a Pagani Zonda in a (Car or EVO) test. That Evo is pretty pricey because it is also fairly reliable and covered by warranty. Throw out the warranty, and the price goes down significantly.
Not sure if any STi could...but I'm sure there are some Evos that could best that time. Evos hold many track records in Japan... I'm assuming you mean modified Evos...
You mean 0-60? How about 0-100, 0-150, or 0-170? The EVO FQ400 has a lot of power and all wheel drive. You can launch it very aggressively and get a 3.4 0-60 time out of it, but what happens after 60 mph?
The Z06 is the bargain of the year. F430 performance, at 1/3 the price. Again, lost a little in translation, not as good, but at 1/3 the price, an incredible bargain. Art
Track speed at the "ring" 7.42 says that it not only accelerates, handles and brakes but also has the total package for the race track.. Not the only car in the world..Certainly not the favorite of many. Certainly not an exotic like the Ferrari or Lamborghini....but dam its good looking to me...dam fast around the "ring" Hate it or love it... I admire what has been accomplished for a stock vehicle especially at under 70 grand.
Actually, it has significantly better than F430 performance. The new Z06 will wipe the floor with the F430, based on the tests I've seen. An accurate financial comparo would be that the F430 comes close to the Z06, for three times the price.
The only two magazines I'm aware of that have tested both are C&D and MT: C&D F430 0-60 3.5 1/4 11.7@123 Z06 0-60 3.6 1/4 11.7@125 MT F430 0-60 3.7 1/4 11.7@125 Z06 0-60 3.6 1/4 11.5@127 What tests have you seen where the Z06 "wipes the floor with the F430"? Gary
good point....i cant to drive the z06..i hope the tranny and steering is less truck like than the c6, which was a real disappointment to me , an d i have owned 3 different generation vettes over the years....the overall feel of the car and the handling and steering and engine sound are the areas that the vette falls short of ferrari, porsche, lambo, bmw....the vette numbers have always been good....
Quote from Magazine: ...To that end, the team also added coolers for every fluid except brake fluid and enlarged the radiator. So then, it sounds like we now have a car where the windshield washer fluid is cooled
You gotta love this comment from that Corvette Forum thread: Like Z06 buyers will actually care about that...
Just for the record, Subaru and Mitsu do try at the ring, to the point that Suby recently introduced a "Ring" edition of the STi complete with a outline of the Nodschleif on the fender. Their best usually comes in around 7:5x. These cars are very quick in real world driving, but on a long race track they give away far too much power and torque to compete with Z06 type numbers. BTW, Where is my issue of C&D?? The Z06 is very impressive, but I'm staying away from the comparisons. The relative gap between the top Vette, a Porsche Turbo and a v8 Ferrari is right was it has always been. What has changed is that all these cars have gotten much faster and now better the performance of supercars from just 10-15 years ago. Just in time for the fuel crisis!
Actually they will. There will be a ton of Z06 drivers who think they can go to the track and tear up the 1320 only to be turned away dur to lack of proper safety equipment.
Its true, I see Z06's an the 1320 all the time, many times with at least drag radials in the back, and this track car becomes a stip terror as well.
Ahh but you're leaping headlong into a comparison debate. The gap between the Z06 and the F430, performance wise, is gone. We'll have to wait until the new turbo comes out to compare it, but the 996 turbo is beat senseless on a track by both of these new terrors.
I've never even been in a vtte other than sitting in one at the car show, but I've known for a while the biggest performance complaint from many is the steering feel. I've been wondering then why someone hasn't developed a new steering rack system to make the car more nimble and sharper feeling (ie more "Porsche like" or "Lotus like"). If a conversion could be made for $5-8k, I think it would sell bigtime.
